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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
In the past 4-5 month Stork played as many vZs as vT and vP combines. That means that while many of his matchups have a similar win percentage the vZ matches have a higher total win count and it also just shows what he is focusing on during practicing and spons. This is further underlined with how vP is by far the rarest spon for him to play. It would be interesting to see how other player's matchup distribution is like, I sadly can't dig into this now but I wonder if someone has some insight based on this aspect of the available data. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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ortseam
996 Posts
On April 02 2018 18:17 Essbee wrote: Outside of flash, only sea has been able to go far (and yeah, sharp but meh). And also, the maps were so terran-favored and only those 2 were able to achieve some kind of success. We saw shuttle win the first one, and we also saw bisu going far last season. And also, rain is the one who won the wildcard spot after the departure of bisu. I really think this era of bw has been dominated by flash and a bunch of zergs. ASL 1 Ro8: 5 T, 1 Z, 2 P (FS+ CB, Overwatch, Taebak) ASL 2 Ro8: 2 T, 2 Z, 4 P (CB, Benzene, EotS, Demian) ASL 3 Ro8: 4 T, 2 Z, 2 P (CB, Camelot, Outsider, Andromeda) ASL 4 Ro8: 2 T, 4 Z, 2 P (FS, Gladiator, Gold Rush, Crossing FIeld) ASL 5 Ro8: 2 T, rest P and Z (bad Terran maps 3rd time in a row obviously) Terrans: Flash(x4), Last(x2), Sea(x2), Sharp, Mong, Ssak Zergs: Hero(x3), Soulkey(x2), Larva, JD, Shine, Killer Protoss: Bisu (x3), Best(x2), Shuttle, Jaehoon, Guemchi, Rain I really don't see how Terrans are doing the worst or the maps are Terran favored. Specifically I remember Shuttle making a comment about how Afreeca seems to want zergs to win (Sparkle is an excellent example brought in after that comment, constant changes to bring it to the current situation). | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On April 03 2018 00:43 Golgotha wrote: is shuttle being serious when he says rain stares too much at boobies? that's bisu's successor?! please come back soon bisu. I vaguely remember this being a thing, where while streaming, he would often look at like females broadcasters streams instead of playing any games. But (and I only watched him one time recently so that could be wrong) it doesn't seem to be the case anymore, atleast that one time I watched he was playing and focusing on the game. | ||
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Piste
6179 Posts
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On April 03 2018 02:04 Piste wrote: I have not watched online games (including sponmatches), just ASL and SSL. I've seen a lot of Rain hype, but so far his play have not seemed that impressive to me. I know he had success in SC2 and he was pretty good up and coming protoss towards the end of KeSpa era so I hope he proves me wrong. It is not just success, he like defined PvP for a while, and showed Protoss you could actually Macro and win, I remember a couple months where he had like a 80-90% winrate and shit, the kid defenitely has the potential if he puts his mind to it. Also I would say if you look at more of his recent games, the ones for Bisus spot for example, he earned that spot. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
On April 03 2018 00:43 Golgotha wrote: is shuttle being serious when he says rain stares too much at boobies? that's bisu's successor?! please come back soon bisu. 90% (number made up - it's a lot of the time though) of the time Rains stream is him watching a female streamer | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On April 02 2018 18:17 Essbee wrote: Thanks for your post Bigfan, but I was thinking more in line with just the ASLs, because the SSLs didn't have all the good players back anyway. Outside of flash, only sea has been able to go far (and yeah, sharp but meh). And also, the maps were so terran-favored and only those 2 were able to achieve some kind of success. We saw shuttle win the first one, and we also saw bisu going far last season. And also, rain is the one who won the wildcard spot after the departure of bisu. I really think this era of bw has been dominated by flash and a bunch of zergs. I mean, you can say that but I don't think it's right to completely ignore SSL, KSL and VNSL just because Flash and several other pros came back. If anything, I would argue that a lot of the players who came first practiced hard to impress their fans and try and gain a following. Piano was a much strong player then, same goes for some others. It's only after having come back and done the same routine etc... that some likely lost their motivation. Also, ortstream makes a good rebuttal to your second half. PVJ, you're right. The graphs give an overall winrate and don't consider just how much more someone played vs a certain race. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Yozora
Finland65 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Best and Stork just got eliminated in a bracket where Snow advanced. I thought this would happen. We already saw Best fave off against Flash in an ASL where he lost. So now I'm hoping Snow does better. What about Snow compared to Rain? To me Snow seems better. I saw Rain play in ASL4 and his nerves looked rattle. Especially against Soulkey and Larva. The games were action packed and you could tell Rain is jittery. But I'd love to see Flash face both Snow and Rain in ASL5. If he won despite playing both of those players, then I'll believe he is a god. | ||
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Executer08
Germany163 Posts
On April 03 2018 22:44 Alpha-NP- wrote: In ASL5 ro16 + Show Spoiler + Best and Stork just got eliminated in a bracket where Snow advanced. I thought this would happen. + Show Spoiler + that first game from best vs hero on transistor was really rough and kinda unfortunate, immediately losing that first zealot and even letting more lings in later on. he fought admirably afterwards, but was just too far behind. snow just got rekt by his (lack of) corsair control vs hero which prevented him from ever getting into a desirable spot in the game. so as far as pvz goes which is the main focus of the article i'd say they both showed some promising ideas, but also made crucial mistakes vs a top notch zvper in hero. snow then got the better end of build orders in the deciding pvp vs best, but best actually fought back valiantly although it wasnt enough in the end. i'm glad snow made it through and we get to see more of him including a possible ro8 match vs flash (2nd place finisher vs 1st place), but i still liked best's play today despite his elimination. all in all i'd still rate them closely. + Show Spoiler + We already saw Best fave off against Flash in an ASL where he lost. So now I'm hoping Snow does better. + Show Spoiler + flash and best actually never met in asl. the last time they played in a tournament was in the danjjing starleague little over 2 months ago where best won 3-2. maybe even more reason to hope snow plays and beats him in the playoff this season, possibly already in the ro8 as mentioned before + Show Spoiler + What about Snow compared to Rain? To me Snow seems better. I saw Rain play in ASL4 and his nerves looked rattle. Especially against Soulkey and Larva. The games were action packed and you could tell Rain is jittery. But I'd love to see Flash face both Snow and Rain in ASL5. If he won despite playing both of those players, then I'll believe he is a god. + Show Spoiler + tough to call imo, snow looked shaky in his games so far too. absolutely agree though that it would be nice if flash got a proper bracket of death this season. ro8 vs snow, ro4 vs rain, final vs jd would be a dream :D | ||
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