• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:37
CEST 21:37
KST 04:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy12
Community News
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris47Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Speculation of future Wardii series
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
Pros React To: herO's Baffling Game BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
Is there English video for group selection for ASL Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 933 users

ASL5 Ro24 Preview Pt. 1 - Old and New with Stork

Forum Index > BW General
15 CommentsPost a Reply

ASL5 Ro24 Preview Pt. 1 - Old and New with Stork

Text byBigFan
Graphics byv1
March 10th, 2018 19:17 GMT
logo
Hello folks and welcome to our coverage of the Afreeca Starleague Season 5. It's been months since the 4th season concluded and boy are we excited to see both old and new faces (Calm, Horang2 and Action) compete to be crowned ASL5 champ! With the addition of 2 new maps, including an island one, this season should provide some wacky and hopefully, entertaining games.

Will we see mass air battles involving devourers, mutalisks, carriers and corsairs? Will we finally see dark archons and arbiters in action? What will be the final result of all the bouts that take place and will the new comers to ASL find their old stride and progress upwards? Moving on, Group A, featuring Light, Shine, Sky and Shuttle, has been previewed by Bisudagger while FlaShFTW previewed group B which features EffOrt, Stork, GuemChi and Horang2.

With Group A set to start in , it's time for all the players to lay it down on the line for a chance to advance to the Ro16 and join the group selection ceremony. Let's get hypeddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!

Table of contents

  • Intro
  •  
  • Preview of Group A
  • Preview of Group B
  •  
  • (Wiki)Liquipedia
Group A Preview

A Toughie


Group A features (P)Shuttle, (P)Sky, (T)Light, and (Z)Shine. This group is anything but, decided before going into the matchups. And even though Shuttle and Shine have had their moments in the ASL spotlight, all 4 have failed to make much of their appearance in the recent ASL. Here’s a breakdown of each player's success going into ASL 5:

Shuttle’s success since ASL 1 starts with his peak and is a downward slope. His results since winning ASL 1 are two eliminations in the round of 16 and one in the round of 24. Throughout those tournaments, he has shown a great weakness against Terran players during the group stage. When faced with a best of one and in an unprepared scenario, Shuttle does not perform well. Outside of the ASL, Shuttle has also had bad results. Since March 2016, Shuttle has put up a win rate below 50%.

Sky has only qualified for one ASL where he was promptly eliminated 0-2. In the past two years, he has only won two of his past 9 premier league games. Sky still rides the coattails of success during the Sonic era. Still, it is impressive that he has re-qualified for the ASL.

Light has qualified for three of Afreeca’s starleagues since his return to the scene. He has established himself in the post Kespa era as a group stage junkie. He is a well-established top 24 level player, but does not do well in unprepared best of ones. Despite Light's ability to qualify for premier leagues, his overall win rate is sub-fifty percent. He lost 2 of his three group stage appearances to groups with 2 or more Zergs, so stacking the deck is of no benefit to him.

Shine is late to the Afreeca party. Like Shuttle, he is in danger of showing that his finals appearance in ASL3 was a fluke and he is also on a downward slope. Shine lost his ASL4 group due to his inability to win ZvZ, so it’s impossible to throw out the slump card yet. With no new games in premier matches played by Shine since November, more analysis will have to be done should he advance out of this group.

Bringing all of the above data together, the next step is to address the maps and how they impact this group. Sparkle, the island map, is the first to be played. Shuttle has the micro advantage against Sky. Shuttle should easily win with good reaver and shuttle management. Sky only wins if he goes straight to DTs and Shuttle doesn’t go obs first. Light should also have an easy victory over Shine. No amount of tricks will help a Zerg against Light on an island map. Light has a huge mechanical advantage when it comes to dropships and marine micro. This will be an easy one for him.

Shuttle > Sky
Light > Shine

Transistor, the three position map, is played for the winners' and losers' match. Based off predictions, Shuttle will be facing off against Light. Terran has some nice advantages on this map, but it is Light’s worse match up. Shuttle also at this time, can win this group by focusing on one skill, reaver harassment. As mentioned by Legionnaire in his map analysis, this is a big weak point for Terran natural bases. Shuttle is the favorite to win this match. Light should do his best to avoid standard play. Shine will be facing Sky on this map and has been great with Protoss players of all skill over the past two years. The map advantages for Sky are nullified as Shine is simply the better player.

Shuttle > Light
Shine > Sky

The final map, Gladiator, features a premium matchup between Shine and Light. Both players have some clear map advantages going into this match. Barring bad spawn positioning, Shine could do really well here with strong mutalisk harassment in the early game. Meanwhile, should Light take little early game damage, he can exhibit his brilliant SK Terran style play to shut down the very hard to take third base for Zerg players. Once Light has full control of his dropships, this game will start to look very ugly for Shine. This is a tough one that comes down to a tie breaker. Considering Light’s inability to advance through group stages consistently and how pissed off Shine is going to be at Light for getting a win on an island map against him earlier, Shine will manage to eek one out in this group.

Shine > Light


(P)Shuttle and (Z)Shine to advance to the Ro16!

Group B Preview

Into the Hydra’s Den


No, Hydra isn’t in this group, but that’s what the 3 Protoss players are going to feel when they have to go up against (Z)EffOrt’s dominant ZvP. Bountiful PvP mirrors on maps that encourage mass drop play, so watch for some reaver, DT, or storm explosions around the maps. None of these players really strike me as a top contender though. EffOrt always chokes in the ASL, (P)Horang2 couldn’t even qualify the past few times, (P)Stork is a shell of his former self, and (P)GuemChi is still your average Protoss player. Will Sparkle be enough to contain EffOrt, or will he run away with this group leaving Auir’s hope scrambling for the last qualifying spot?

Game 1: EffOrt < Sparkle > Horang2
The various changes to Sparkle have really pushed it more and more for Zerg, which is good considering Zerg needs all the help it can get on island maps. While at first, I would have easily written this off as an easy win for Horang2, the recent games on the latest edition of Sparkles have changed my mind. The additional Lairs at each of the mains has really ensured that Zerg will have various options moving into the mid-late game for expansions and more gas to keep up with the more cost efficient skytoss. Scourge flying to each of the different bases to provide vision for nydus canals, and Zerg to control the sky with mass scourge to deter shuttle drops will be the key, and I believe that with EffOrt’s impressive mutalisk and scourge micro, he should be able to pull out the win here.

EffOrt > Horang2

Game 2: Stork < Sparkle > GuemChi
Stork’s PvP is nothing like what it used to be, and he also hasn’t been taking the game as seriously these days. He’s been too inconsistent to give a good read on him, with recent loses to Scan and Snow while taking a PvP off of BeSt. GuemChi isn’t a good PvPer by any means either, and hasn’t been in any tournaments for a while as well, so it’s tough to give a great read on this. I will say that with Sparkle being the map, encouraging mass drop play, and Stork being known for his shuttles (at least in the past), I’ll have to give the slightest of edges to Stork. Also, with the map being all about information, Stork should have the upper hand as he is known for being the best player to utilize information.

Stork > GuemChi

Winner’s Match: EffOrt < Transistor > Stork
Stork’s PvZ has always been his worst matchup, while EffOrt’s ZvP has always been his best. That being said, the early game on Transistor will be quite interesting to watch, especially with the weird chokes leading to the main and the close air distances. It’s very possible that we see EffOrt open 9 pool and try to bust up the ramp with a flank if Stork opens gate-first on the high ground. Look for Stork to try some corsair + drop play early on while EffOrt looks to deflect with potentially early mutalisk play to abuse the air rush.

EffOrt > Stork

Loser’s Match: Horang2 < Transistor > GuemChi
1 gate reaver openers will be the most common opener on this map. You can’t counter so well, because the rush distance is longer than the air distance. We might see fast DTs as a counter to players who open reaver first over observer first, hoping to take advantage of the tech path. Horang2 strikes me as that player to go DT first, but GuemChi should sniff it out and play the safer obs first.

Horang2 < GuemChi

Final Match: Stork < Gladiator > GuemChi
Gladiator is still a decent enough drop map to give Stork a slight edge, with large exposed mains and droppable 3rds. Stork will probably have some confidence after beating GuemChi in their first match, so don’t be surprised here if Stork comes out racing. Using the ridges will be the focal point of the game to decide large scale battles while using the side paths for zealot harass will be crucial. Expect a solid macro game from both players, but Stork should take the win.

Stork > GuemChi

(Z)EffOrt and (P)Stork to advance to the Round of 16!


Writers: Bisudagger, FlashFTW, Bigfan
Graphics: v1
Editors:Bigfan
Facebook Twitter Reddit
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 10 2018 22:14 GMT
#2
Be ready for the most epic SkyZergs you ever have seen in your life on Sparkle.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19248 Posts
March 11 2018 04:04 GMT
#3
Guemchi has shown glimpses of great PvP in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes down stork. It'll definitely be close.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 11 2018 21:47 GMT
#4
Today's games were pretty decent imo and quite surprising haha. Definitely watch the vods everyone and please remember to use spoilers when discussing any games!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 11 2018 22:17 GMT
#5
No Effort vs Stork on Sparkle, highly disappointing.

GO STORK GO!
WriterReV hwaiting!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6607 Posts
March 11 2018 22:25 GMT
#6
god of zerg plz help the messiah to get out from this group.
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5391 Posts
March 11 2018 23:17 GMT
#7
On March 12 2018 06:47 BigFan wrote:
Today's games were pretty decent imo and quite surprising haha. Definitely watch the vods everyone and please remember to use spoilers when discussing any games!

Link to vodz?
Moderator
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 12 2018 00:33 GMT
#8
On March 12 2018 08:17 pheer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2018 06:47 BigFan wrote:
Today's games were pretty decent imo and quite surprising haha. Definitely watch the vods everyone and please remember to use spoilers when discussing any games!

Link to vodz?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/402419-small-vod-thread-20?page=74#1475
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
March 12 2018 02:46 GMT
#9
Super excited! Thanks for the write up
Long live BroodWar!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8536 Posts
March 12 2018 03:45 GMT
#10
On March 11 2018 13:04 BisuDagger wrote:
Guemchi has shown glimpses of great PvP in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes down stork. It'll definitely be close.


I started to liquidbet against Guemchi again because everytime I did that he won....
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
March 12 2018 07:30 GMT
#11
Thanks for the writeup!

Gogo Stork~~~~~~~~
The heart's eternal vow
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
March 12 2018 08:50 GMT
#12
Ahh fuck I'll be in Uni tomorrow when the matches start, fml
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
March 13 2018 04:08 GMT
#13
Willing to bet the epic games people are going to happen on sparkle turn out to be short fuckfests
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11050 Posts
March 13 2018 05:49 GMT
#14
Dunno how I feel about Sparkle. So far meh.

GOGO STORKU
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
March 15 2018 21:13 GMT
#15
Looks like the writers guessed predictions correctly.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 15 2018 21:33 GMT
#16
I guessed correctly.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
17:00
Group Stage - Group A
Classic vs TriGGeR
Reynor vs SHIN
ComeBackTV 1490
SteadfastSC527
IndyStarCraft 232
CranKy Ducklings193
EnkiAlexander 72
Rex48
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 527
IndyStarCraft 232
Livibee 156
BRAT_OK 85
ProTech80
JuggernautJason63
Rex 48
MindelVK 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27121
EffOrt 1043
Larva 367
hero 244
firebathero 135
Dewaltoss 115
TY 86
Bonyth 79
sSak 68
Hyun 48
[ Show more ]
Aegong 26
NaDa 7
Dota 2
The International40034
Gorgc16555
Fuzer 296
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1866
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu329
Other Games
FrodaN1251
fl0m362
mouzStarbuck261
ToD185
SortOf178
C9.Mang0151
ArmadaUGS111
Trikslyr96
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta15
• musti20045 15
• Reevou 7
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1761
• masondota2785
League of Legends
• TFBlade1036
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie988
• Shiphtur194
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 23m
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
14h 23m
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
21h 23m
Serral vs Ryung
ByuN vs Zoun
BSL Team Wars
23h 23m
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
1d 14h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
1d 18h
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
Solar vs Bunny
Clem vs Rogue
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 22h
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Maru vs Lambo
herO vs ShoWTimE
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025 – Warsaw LAN
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.