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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 10:25:02
March 22 2017 12:35 GMT
#1
TLFightClub

Cast Starts:
Thursday, Mar 23 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

Summary

AfreecaTV and BisuDagger are pairing up to do a periodic show called "Deep Thought". This show will feature exclusive replays from AfreecaTV tournaments. BisuDagger will seek out some of the best Starcraft minds and they will dive into a deep analysis of the high level decision making in the featured replay.

Who will be featured in the first episode?

Flash vs Soulkey Game 5 of the AfreecaTV Team Battle Grand Finals

When will this happen?

Episode 1 will be casted this Thursday at 16:00 EST.

Where can this be seen?

Watch exclusively on http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2

Final Notes:

This is the first time the foreign community has had direct access to Korean Pro game replays. So let's show great community support for this initiative!

VODS: https://www.afreeca.TV/ASL2ENG2
Twitter: BisuDagger
 

 
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ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-22 12:39:54
March 22 2017 12:39 GMT
#2
Note: If you are a high level player (A- or higher get priority) that speaks clear(ish) English and can participate tomorrow, please pm me.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-22 12:43:06
March 22 2017 12:42 GMT
#3
This is awesome!

What are those best StarCraft minds? Are these some Koreans and we will get translations? Or foreigners?

Edit:I guess you answered it while I was typing
#FPPS
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
March 22 2017 12:43 GMT
#4
What a time to be alive
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
JacktheTerr
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
United States97 Posts
March 22 2017 12:50 GMT
#5
fuck yes this is awesome! now i dont want aliens to kill all humans
It's hard to stay sucker free in a world full of lollipops.
JacktheTerr
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
United States97 Posts
March 22 2017 12:51 GMT
#6
most (to clarify) not all
It's hard to stay sucker free in a world full of lollipops.
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
March 22 2017 17:41 GMT
#7
Man, I loved watching progamers analyze Nal-ra's play and always wanted something similar to it. Wishes do come true after all.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1776 Posts
March 22 2017 17:50 GMT
#8
So excited!
asdasdasdasdasd123123123
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
March 22 2017 18:11 GMT
#9
Things wrong with this topic:

I expected either

42

and nothing else, but some link without further explanations

or

Some Koreans vs a super good AI.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2107 Posts
March 22 2017 18:19 GMT
#10
Hoping to see some proper game analysis that can be exploited and implemented in my own games :p
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
March 22 2017 19:00 GMT
#11
On March 22 2017 21:39 BisuDagger wrote:
Note: If you are a high level player (A- or higher get priority) that speaks clear(ish) English and can participate tomorrow, please pm me.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you yourself are not A-, right? Will you be asking questions about the game and the other player answering? If so, can we post some questions we might want answered, for those of us who have already seen the game?

Keep up the good work, looking forward to more BW insight from stronger players
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-22 19:03:29
March 22 2017 19:02 GMT
#12
On March 23 2017 04:00 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 21:39 BisuDagger wrote:
Note: If you are a high level player (A- or higher get priority) that speaks clear(ish) English and can participate tomorrow, please pm me.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you yourself are not A-, right? Will you be asking questions about the game and the other player answering? If so, can we post some questions we might want answered, for those of us who have already seen the game?

Keep up the good work, looking forward to more BW insight from stronger players

I will be facilitating the discussion as the show host. I will in no way be at the forefront of this discussion. And by all means post questions. We will also be taking questions live from the chat.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
PiSan
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States160 Posts
March 22 2017 19:09 GMT
#13
This is actually amazing. Great game to do it with as well. Looking forward to this and hope to see more like it!
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
March 22 2017 19:48 GMT
#14
So considering the imminent relaunch of BW in HD that could see a number of SC2 players try BW, would this series help a SC2 player understand BW a little more, or will it be too high a level.

Also, I got confused with Google's deep mind that they are currently teaching to play SC2. I expected this would feature SC players versus Googles AI monster.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 22 2017 20:04 GMT
#15
Eonzerg and Cryoc
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland616 Posts
March 22 2017 20:22 GMT
#16
I would help you but there is no protoss involved :D
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
March 22 2017 21:12 GMT
#17
This is exciting! Even though I am horrible at BW I love some good analysis and I feel like I get a greater appreciation for the ASL matches I watch.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
March 22 2017 21:32 GMT
#18
Looking forward to watching, though might have to catch the majority of it on Vod.

I hope Ty2 joins :D

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 22 2017 21:46 GMT
#19
On March 23 2017 06:32 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Looking forward to watching, though might have to catch the majority of it on Vod.

I hope Ty2 joins :D


Ty2 is confirmed on the cast.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
March 22 2017 21:47 GMT
#20
This is amazing.
Dogspa would never do this.
Where's bakuryu at?
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
james1024
Profile Blog Joined March 2017
118 Posts
March 22 2017 22:07 GMT
#21
Good job bisudagger! That game of Soulkey was a whammie to watch! I love how soulkey somehow invaded Flash's three expansions at once... Would like to see another observers view, they were focused elsewhere... should be cool. Once again, good job!
Woke this morning to the stinging lash///Every man rise from the ash/// Each betrayal begins with trust/// Every man returns to dust///
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 22 2017 22:46 GMT
#22
awesome stuff
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 22 2017 23:22 GMT
#23
Pretty cool idea overall. If you manage to get to the point where you can get the actual player explaining their reasoning etc... that would be amazing.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
March 23 2017 00:02 GMT
#24
Am I in a dream? Amazing. Thanks for doing this BD and afreeca!
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
joeyjameson
Profile Joined March 2017
37 Posts
March 23 2017 00:03 GMT
#25
Has anyone come up with ap program similar to this like deep blue which would play for you or help you win a game, or beast the best people playing human players earth has to offer?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 23 2017 00:10 GMT
#26
It appears the date bbcode doesn't adjust for daylight savings. For those confused, the cast is at 16:00 EST. Please refer to the event on the calendar for clarification.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9556 Posts
March 23 2017 00:15 GMT
#27
On March 23 2017 09:10 BisuDagger wrote:
It appears the date bbcode doesn't adjust for daylight savings. For those confused, the cast is at 16:00 EST. Please refer to the event on the calendar for clarification.

It does work with daylight savings; but you need to use the proper acronym. Summer time is written as EDT, not EST.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 23 2017 00:16 GMT
#28
On March 23 2017 09:15 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2017 09:10 BisuDagger wrote:
It appears the date bbcode doesn't adjust for daylight savings. For those confused, the cast is at 16:00 EST. Please refer to the event on the calendar for clarification.

It does work with daylight savings; but you need to use the proper acronym. Summer time is written as EDT, not EST.

SMH, hahahaha thanks 2pac
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 01:09:28
March 23 2017 01:07 GMT
#29
On March 23 2017 09:03 joeyjameson wrote:
Has anyone come up with ap program similar to this like deep blue which would play for you or help you win a game, or beast the best people playing human players earth has to offer?

The best StarCraft AI programs currently can take a game off a C rank ICCup player, but still lose the majority of the time.

To put that in context, many people who routinely get A on ICCup struggle to get D on Fish. And progamers like Flash get to B and A on Fish.

For a visual representation, the scale looks like this (more or less):

Blind people--First time playing--D on ICCup--The best AI--C on ICCup---------------------------------------------------------------------------The best player
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 23 2017 01:26 GMT
#30
Sounds really cool.

But secretly disappointed cuz I thought Deep Thought would be the name of an Afreeca Tv A.I
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 02:03:07
March 23 2017 01:58 GMT
#31
On March 23 2017 10:26 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Sounds really cool.

But secretly disappointed cuz I thought Deep Thought would be the name of an Afreeca Tv A.I


Hah, that was my initial thought, too. Something like (sorry for subs):



Anyway, this is neat! Excited for this~
T P Z sagi
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
March 23 2017 02:09 GMT
#32
I'll never be a C player but I'm so excited for this lmao
https://cinesnipe.com
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
March 23 2017 02:26 GMT
#33
I really wish I was a female so I could seduce Bisudagger for these replays for my own personal study and improvement.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 23 2017 04:28 GMT
#34
Thank you so much for making this happen. This is incredible.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1198 Posts
March 23 2017 07:40 GMT
#35
That Flash vs Soulkey game was sick. Good choice. Will be listening for sure.
starcraft2.fi
Chsal
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia23 Posts
March 23 2017 08:29 GMT
#36

VODS: https://www.afreecaTV/ASL2ENG2


Is this supposed to be afreeca[DOT]tv?
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
March 23 2017 09:25 GMT
#37
This is one of your best ideas Bisudagger. Looking forward to it!
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
March 23 2017 12:38 GMT
#38
PSA: cast, not casted. You can use casted if you want, but it makes you look dumb.

en.wiktionary.org/cast
Swing away sOs, swing away.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
March 23 2017 13:13 GMT
#39
On March 23 2017 10:58 purakushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2017 10:26 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Sounds really cool.

But secretly disappointed cuz I thought Deep Thought would be the name of an Afreeca Tv A.I


Hah, that was my initial thought, too. Something like (sorry for subs):

Video

Anyway, this is neat! Excited for this~

Hahaha, nice robot!
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
March 23 2017 21:17 GMT
#40
Lol TL died right in time for this
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 21:20:26
March 23 2017 21:20 GMT
#41
On March 24 2017 06:17 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Lol TL died right in time for this

"died" atleast everythings faster now...
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
March 23 2017 21:32 GMT
#42
So I missed this? Tl was down.
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TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-23 21:35:50
March 23 2017 21:33 GMT
#43
On March 24 2017 06:32 B-royal wrote:
So I missed this? Tl was down.

Server upgrade. And noy ou didn't. I watched the tl stream and bisduggers stream on twitch. They weren't online yet afaik
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
March 23 2017 21:36 GMT
#44
On March 24 2017 06:33 TheNewEra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2017 06:32 B-royal wrote:
So I missed this? Tl was down.

Server upgrade. And noy ou didn't. I watched the tl stream and bisduggers stream on twitch. They weren't online yet afaik



It is over already, it was on the Afreeca Eng2 channel
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
March 23 2017 21:42 GMT
#45
On March 24 2017 06:36 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2017 06:33 TheNewEra wrote:
On March 24 2017 06:32 B-royal wrote:
So I missed this? Tl was down.

Server upgrade. And noy ou didn't. I watched the tl stream and bisduggers stream on twitch. They weren't online yet afaik



It is over already, it was on the Afreeca Eng2 channel

Ah sucks
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 23 2017 21:55 GMT
#46
There were a few technical issues in the first five minutes but the vod is up on my channel. Sorry this was poorly timed with the TL upgrade. Future episodes will be even better!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 24 2017 00:04 GMT
#47
On March 24 2017 06:55 BisuDagger wrote:
There were a few technical issues in the first five minutes but the vod is up on my channel. Sorry this was poorly timed with the TL upgrade. Future episodes will be even better!

will this be uploaded to youtube as well? afreeca vods seem so laggy for me video is always stuttering although audio is fine
This is our town, scrub
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 24 2017 01:00 GMT
#48
On March 24 2017 09:04 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2017 06:55 BisuDagger wrote:
There were a few technical issues in the first five minutes but the vod is up on my channel. Sorry this was poorly timed with the TL upgrade. Future episodes will be even better!

will this be uploaded to youtube as well? afreeca vods seem so laggy for me video is always stuttering although audio is fine

It will not. Try skipping 8 minutes, it may be the actual cast. It was sorted out though. If not, there is a guide to watch through vlc, although im not sure if that works for vods.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
March 24 2017 08:17 GMT
#49
Wow, amazing. Good luck, will watch!
maru G5L pls
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
March 24 2017 08:33 GMT
#50
Wow this sounds amazing, DO WANT
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 24 2017 11:16 GMT
#51
Awesome!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-24 11:25:30
March 24 2017 11:24 GMT
#52
As noted earlier, please keep in mind lag issues were overcome after a few minutes after the rep starts.
Rep starts at 3:30

http://afreeca.tv/36833823/v/63657
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
March 24 2017 12:38 GMT
#53
for me unfortunately afreeca vods always seem to have these issues, but I just listened to the audio and that was fine. well done
This is our town, scrub
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 24 2017 13:32 GMT
#54
On March 24 2017 21:38 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
for me unfortunately afreeca vods always seem to have these issues, but I just listened to the audio and that was fine. well done

Glad you enjoyed it.

PSA: I'm still accepting casting offers for future episodes. As these are AfreecaTV games, we will either have a new one from tomorrow or the next episode will wait until ASL3 has begun.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19384 Posts
March 24 2017 17:21 GMT
#55
Glad to announce iNfeRnaL is now on the caster roster for the Next Pv? episode
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4342 Posts
March 24 2017 18:45 GMT
#56
Excellent. Infernal always has great insight.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10847 Posts
March 29 2017 03:02 GMT
#57
Sweet. Love afreecatv and bw, wish I could participate... Gl hf !
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
broodwarisback
Profile Joined March 2017
37 Posts
May 02 2017 18:55 GMT
#58
the vod link does not load...does anyone have a miror upload? dying to listen
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Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
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