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KameZerg
Sweden1769 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On December 21 2016 07:35 ICanFlyLow wrote: I think movie averages around 190-210 Movie: "I used to be able to do all the things I wanted when my apm was around 240-250 but, I can't with 200 apm. | ||
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ortseam
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On December 21 2016 09:09 ortseam wrote: Didn't Fantasy have below 300 back in the day? Although apm is meaningless Have you seen FanTaSy trying out the most eapm-intensive SK Terran play? It's like night and day to less accomplished players such as HiyA who has higher eapm. It's like saying speed isn't important in football, because slow players such as Riquelme are able to have great success. Being able to play the game at high speed, is a quality that isn't essential to win the game, but is an asset that simply cannot be ignored. Of course, protoss players can get away with having lower eapm than the other two races, but for terran and zerg players, having a high eapm is a super positive quality. FanTaSy succeeded despite having mediocre speed of play, but even he was unable to overcome it fully, as evidenced by his lack of success with pure bionic play (which is the most mechanically intensive terran style of play). Of course, necessity is the mother of invention, and FanTaSy overcame his deficiency against the zerg race by developing the meta-game of the match-up, but imagine he had the bionic capabilities of someone like Light in his prime, and had the strategical aspect added on top of that. | ||
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ortseam
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On December 21 2016 20:48 ortseam wrote: What I mean is that APM doesn't indicate how fast you can actually do things . Low APM pros usually have very clean actions. Take for example Zero vs Effort/Hero: big difference in APM, no real difference in how fast they are. Speed is of course very important, not disagreeing there Is there a better method of objectively rating a player's speed of play than eAPM? It's not a perfect measurement, of course, but it's not useless statistic like you seem to suggest. Is there a player with an eAPM over 200 (out of any professional players, or current streaming ex-professionals) you consider to be slow in terms of carrying out their actions? | ||
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Retuh
Germany76 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
On December 22 2016 20:22 Retuh wrote: Does Stork upload Vods? He played yesturday a sick game agains Hojja i would like to see that awesome micro! http://korhal.info.pl/#/stork | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On December 22 2016 20:22 Retuh wrote: Does Stork upload Vods? He played yesturday a sick game agains Hojja i would like to see that awesome micro! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCns4Qg50SKaylIG1cErmvng/videos | ||
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Retuh
Germany76 Posts
Found the vod, if anybody is interested: Skip to 1:35 to see the hole game or skip to 1:43 for the insaine micro. Was 10 times better when i watched it live :D | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Gets destroyed by ladder E Protoss. LOL Then makes excuses. | ||
GTR
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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LocoBolon
Argentina246 Posts
On December 21 2016 10:33 Letmelose wrote: Have you seen FanTaSy trying out the most eapm-intensive SK Terran play? It's like night and day to less accomplished players such as HiyA who has higher eapm. It's like saying speed isn't important in football, because slow players such as Riquelme are able to have great success. Being able to play the game at high speed, is a quality that isn't essential to win the game, but is an asset that simply cannot be ignored. Of course, protoss players can get away with having lower eapm than the other two races, but for terran and zerg players, having a high eapm is a super positive quality. FanTaSy succeeded despite having mediocre speed of play, but even he was unable to overcome it fully, as evidenced by his lack of success with pure bionic play (which is the most mechanically intensive terran style of play). Of course, necessity is the mother of invention, and FanTaSy overcame his deficiency against the zerg race by developing the meta-game of the match-up, but imagine he had the bionic capabilities of someone like Light in his prime, and had the strategical aspect added on top of that. GJ man, trying to shedd some light on the facts using logic and knowledge... otherwise It's just ppl saying whatever it comes to their heads as if it was some kind of universal truth. On December 21 2016 09:09 ortseam wrote: Didn't Fantasy have below 300 back in the day? Although apm is meaningless It's not apm what is meaningless, apm/eapm is only a very specific measurement of a given thing, It's just information and in this case strongly relationed with speed, people adding special meanings and features randomly to it It's what I call missuse and missinterpretation of information. People throwing words so lightly is what it is meaningless in my opinion... | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I also think that's the reason Protoss players tend to have less APM in general. Another example is with zerg play: lurker/defiler play tends to be around 350 even with the fastest players, while aggressive muta play goes up to 450+ | ||
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Flyer150
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 07 2017 05:45 Flyer150 wrote: Anybody knows who is the girl whose stream Stork is currently showing? 지유 JiYoo. Shes gonna come to his game vs Jaedong. She said she'll buy him dinner if he loses. | ||
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Flyer150
2 Posts
On January 07 2017 05:45 Flyer150 wrote: Anybody knows who is the girl whose stream Stork is currently showing? 지유 JiYoo. Shes gonna come to his game vs Jaedong. She said she'll buy him dinner if he loses. Nice! I guess if he wins hes buying then  | ||
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Maks
Ukraine187 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 07 2017 07:53 Maks wrote: damn, she's hot She was second in most balloons received in 2016. | ||
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