Ro32 (bo3):
Player 1 < Neo Electric Circuit > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Aztec > Player 2
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

Ro16 (bo3):
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Overwatch > Player 2
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

Ro8 (bo3):
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Aztec > Player 2
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

Ro4 (bo5):
Player 1 < Neo Electric Circuit > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Aztec > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Overwatch > Player 2 (if needed)
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

Third place match (bo5):
Player 1 < Neo Electric Circuit > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Aztec > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Overwatch > Player 2 (if needed)
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

Finals (bo7):
Player 1 < Neo Electric Circuit > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Aztec > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2
Player 1 < Neo Overwatch > Player 2 (if needed)
Player 1 < Neo Jade > Player 2 (if needed)
Player 1 < Fighting Spirit > Player 2 (if needed)

idegelchik

Russian Federation382 Posts

February 26 2016 14:27 GMT

thx 2pac

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6738 Posts

February 26 2016 14:27 GMT

nice maps, Yah for overwatch and electric circuit

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts

February 26 2016 14:35 GMT

Hype Hype Hype!

congrats to NegativeZero

idegelchik

Russian Federation382 Posts

February 26 2016 15:24 GMT

hard maps for PvZ, usually the balance on the map make soft Terrans, but on TLC terran 3 or 4. okay.

Bakuryu

Germany1065 Posts

February 26 2016 15:37 GMT

thx for maps

RoomOfMush

1296 Posts

February 26 2016 17:04 GMT

Love to see Jade being played. I think I'd call it my favorite map. Also interested to see how Neo Overwatch will turn out.

amazingxkcd

GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts

February 26 2016 17:59 GMT

EC hype!

FyRe_DragOn

Canada2056 Posts

February 26 2016 18:00 GMT

I like that FS is last in every set, gj organizers. Personally I dislike electric circuit and all gimmicky maps like that but what can u do.

_Animus_

Bulgaria1064 Posts

February 26 2016 18:01 GMT

#10

oh ye, super pumped for ro32!

Cele

Germany4016 Posts

February 26 2016 22:19 GMT

#11

On February 27 2016 00:24 idegelchik wrote:
hard maps for PvZ, usually the balance on the map make soft Terrans, but on TLC terran 3 or 4. okay.

yes in sum not the best PvZ maps. Especially Neo Electric Circuit and Neo Jade are not maps you look forward too. But we'll see.

dsaqwe.

Croatia274 Posts

February 26 2016 22:24 GMT

#12

Again bad maps for PvZ .. ;

Jukado

805 Posts

February 26 2016 23:12 GMT

#13

Im happy to see Neo Overwatch in the map pool, that’s a positive in my book.

idegelchik

Russian Federation382 Posts

February 27 2016 07:04 GMT

#14

look at last pro pvz games on electric (10-1):www.teamliquid.net
and post pro (20-3):
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/maps/536_Neo_Electric_Circuit/games/ZvP

fearthequeen

United States788 Posts

February 28 2016 07:45 GMT

#15

On February 27 2016 16:04 idegelchik wrote:
look at last pro pvz games on electric (10-1):www.teamliquid.net
and post pro (20-3):
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/maps/536_Neo_Electric_Circuit/games/ZvP

Picking random sets of games doesn't prove anything. The % from the total sample of games is 59% Z > P. Even Fighting Spirit has 63% T > Z from the same period of time. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/maps/237_Fighting Spirit
So I propose we replace Fighting Spirit instead.

idegelchik

Russian Federation382 Posts

February 28 2016 09:55 GMT

#16

i pick only last games. dont worry about tvz, u play zvz in ro32

kingfish-

12 Posts

February 28 2016 10:52 GMT

#17

Protoss players need to stop crying about maps and finally concentrate on their skill level.

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Analyzing maps you have to take into account the skill of the players involved.

Effort vs ANY protoss other than Bisu should be 95% win
Hero vs ANY protoss other than Bisu should be 90% win, same with Zero.

They are simply a class lower players, most of them have around 150apm less than the top zergs... :D

If a map allows players like Free, Shuttle or Guemchi to fight against Effort or Hero, the map is not balanced, its absolutely imbalanced!

This way any map will always be bad for protoss. You can't balance 100 apm difference with maps :D

What are balanced or toss-favoured maps for you protoss players, are there such maps at all?

If you can't top zergs on Jade or FS, you need to start practicing, because once the maps change to HBR or Jade, you're gonna get outplayed by creative zergs by far. Making cannons and waiting for 200/200 is a viable strategy with protoss, but will only get you so far.

Cele

Germany4016 Posts

February 28 2016 14:53 GMT

#18

then how do you explain 50/50 stats on 400 games on Fighting Spirit? We have a lot of games from effort, zero and hero here too, yet the winrate isn't affected. If you take a look at the first page of the results, you'll notice results like Noble ->Effort, shuttle -> hero etc as well as more "expected" results where these players win. But the overall winrate is close to 50% and by your logic, it shouldn't be because you argue the imbalance rests in the skill of the players. We also find a lot of games from the players mentioned by you, so it's not like their games on FS are negligible for the winrates.

kingfish-

12 Posts

February 28 2016 18:00 GMT

#19

I already stated, if a protoss player can't win on FS or Jade, they will not win anywhere else. These are protoss favoured maps.

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There is a reason why most protoss players can't play anywhere else than FS. But I will not discuss maps with anyone who does not play, the experience gap vs the theory gap is just too big.

We still have people who argue that you can win zvt on Destination ;-) but if you give them zerg and put them against terran, their perspective will change immediately. This is why I don't theorycraft, I play.

But, I am still intrested what maps protoss players would prefer.

[sc1f]eonzerg

Belgium6738 Posts

February 28 2016 18:25 GMT

#20

On February 29 2016 03:00 kingfish- wrote:
I already stated, if a protoss player can't win on FS or Jade, they will not win anywhere else. These are protoss favoured maps.

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But, I am still intrested what maps protoss players would prefer.

i agree with you about desti,however bakuryu still think that desti is awesome for zvt xd :D <3

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