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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
April 20 2016 13:05 GMT
#1941
On April 20 2016 19:20 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
pepper with nuttela .....


Stop giving him ideas...
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 23 2016 10:19 GMT
#1942
However, I must admit that there is a trend towards more hunters / observing / offracing / doing random stuff.

Haven't been able to study his TvP in a while, im sad.



According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
April 23 2016 12:40 GMT
#1943
i also hate the hunters/offracing/random stuff, that's why i like effort/zero so much, they always actually play... you could always just watch the vods and fast forward though
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
April 23 2016 13:19 GMT
#1944
Last stream, out of 8 hours he played 2 games. Rest being obs / ums / hunt, lol.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 23 2016 18:20 GMT
#1945
On April 23 2016 22:19 kogeT wrote:
Last stream, out of 8 hours he played 2 games. Rest being obs / ums / hunt, lol.

yep, i always download his streams. That one was sad hehe, hopefully it's just temporary
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
April 24 2016 11:54 GMT
#1946
Why is the restream always offline and or showing Bisu? New restream up?
Jaedong fucking beast
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50425 Posts
April 24 2016 12:35 GMT
#1947
https://www.twitch.tv/snipealot2
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
April 24 2016 13:26 GMT
#1948
So flash is tired of bw already?
remag
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany354 Posts
April 24 2016 13:38 GMT
#1949
On April 24 2016 22:26 Foxxan wrote:
So flash is tired of bw already?

Maybe his Hand. I don't think Flash himself is tired of bw.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
April 24 2016 14:55 GMT
#1950
Who is maesaegigi? He just took a very impressive win over Flash on Circuit Breaker.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50425 Posts
April 24 2016 15:12 GMT
#1951
On April 24 2016 23:55 iamho wrote:
Who is maesaegigi? He just took a very impressive win over Flash on Circuit Breaker.

effort
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 23:07:09
April 24 2016 23:05 GMT
#1952
FlaSh is not offracing/BGHing/playing UMSs for balloons. He just likes doing it. I dont want to think it's for balloons... for now. If someone can do the fancy analysis needed to actually prove majority of expros get most of their money when they offrace or play team/bgh/ums, that would be interesting. I don't think that is the case now but who knows.
I used to play a lot of ums games and i like watching flash playing ums games that i also like.
But i like watching flash playing normal 1v1 games better... Not that i am the most dilligent viewer but 2 games in 8 hours is just a bit too less than expected for me. I just switch to zero or hero for example
Enjoy the game
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 23:17:56
April 24 2016 23:17 GMT
#1953
On April 25 2016 08:05 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
FlaSh is not offracing/BGHing/playing UMSs for balloons. He just likes doing it. I dont want to think it's for balloons... for now. If someone can do the fancy analysis needed to actually prove majority of expros get most of their money when they offrace or play team/bgh/ums, that would be interesting. I don't think that is the case now but who knows.
I used to play a lot of ums games and i like watching flash playing ums games that i also like.
But i like watching flash playing normal 1v1 games better... Not that i am the most dilligent viewer but 2 games in 8 hours is just a bit too less than expected for me. I just switch to zero or hero for example

I agree with this,

I'm definately not trying to talk down on Flash. I'm just gently noting that I hope he starts playing 100% 1v1s again like before. Basically because I want to learn from him;)

learned so much subtle things already..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-24 23:17:41
April 24 2016 23:17 GMT
#1954
- double post -
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 08:21:20
April 25 2016 08:21 GMT
#1955
That's true, watching Flash is like inventing wheel over and over again.. He makes wonderful adjustments and decisions every, single, game + I'll never understand how his mineral count never goes above 1000k, even in most tense situations.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 09:34:00
April 25 2016 09:33 GMT
#1956
On April 25 2016 17:21 kogeT wrote:
That's true, watching Flash is like inventing wheel over and over again.. He makes wonderful adjustments and decisions every, single, game + I'll never understand how his mineral count never goes above 1000k, even in most tense situations.

yeah idk how he manages to not bank 100,000 minerals in intense micro battles

edit~ 1,000,000 minerals
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 10:53:58
April 25 2016 10:53 GMT
#1957
You got me bro, although still managed to get self owned.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 11:14:05
April 25 2016 10:58 GMT
#1958
Funny how you both got it wrong

numbers schnumbers right

Flash is really intelligent with the order he makes scvs versus other things in the early game. He actually does it abit differently than most other terrans such as light, sea, hiya and so on.

As an example: In TvP, FD opening, Flash usually places his second suply at the same time he places the factory. After this he usually prioritize an scv before his first marine. This is very subtle, most gamers build the marine directly upon rax finnishing, then placing factory and then suply with the scv popping out. Flash's way allows for constant scvs and equal ammount of marines for the first tank without suply blockage.

Add all these things up and you fast have a wide array of interesting tricks to get your economy going. When to use them, and when not to use them.


As for his macro, in general I think it's just very hard to copy. Basically his macro using left hand only is so fast. He mostly produces marines by using the keyboard only, which starts getting quite tricky once you have 4 barracks. 4m 5m 6m 7m isn't the easiest thing to press so fast, but allows for attention elsewhere while macroing which I think is the key to his low mineral count. It remember it's not only marines but medics and bats at moments. I just cannot really understand how he does it that fast, seems impossible. Maybe korean keyboard layout is different? For example, I'd be able to do it with siege tanks from factorys, but not marines for barracks.

He uses all F-keys on mineral locations which is a good thing if you can handle all macro in some other way (like for example doubletapping a hotkeyed building). I'm stuck with using one F-key on production, atleast after more than 2 rax in TvZ and more than 5 in TvP..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2040 Posts
April 25 2016 13:48 GMT
#1959
He uses F-keys on mineral location only to the moment when his setup is ready. After that he switches his Fx to macro area. (you can see that in some vods, when he gets his attention off 3rd base (meaning stop making scvs there), he looks for a nice fitting screen and makes a new location hotkey over factories / barracks)
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 14:12:37
April 25 2016 14:08 GMT
#1960
On April 25 2016 08:05 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
FlaSh is not offracing/BGHing/playing UMSs for balloons. He just likes doing it. I dont want to think it's for balloons... for now. If someone can do the fancy analysis needed to actually prove majority of expros get most of their money when they offrace or play team/bgh/ums, that would be interesting. I don't think that is the case now but who knows.
I used to play a lot of ums games and i like watching flash playing ums games that i also like.
But i like watching flash playing normal 1v1 games better... Not that i am the most dilligent viewer but 2 games in 8 hours is just a bit too less than expected for me. I just switch to zero or hero for example


In my perception, there's a group of ex progamers, that fall in the same category. They have been pro's for a long time, they reached a lot of their goals and were very popular. They have had a rigorous training schedule, a lot of matches to prepare for etc for the majority of their adult life and teenage years. Now, that they retired, they take the liberty to still play the game but in a much more relaxed fashion- and i can't blame them for that. They play more off race games, more fun UMS maps or Hunters, while still maintaining a strong form. (P)Bisu and (T)Flash are prime examples for me atm, others could be named too.

so, i agree it's not about balloons in my opinion, it's about playing the game in a relaxed fashion; the priority is Fun -> Results in contrary to their pro career, which demanded the top form and best preparation every week, every match, for many years.
Broodwar for life!
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