On August 08 2015 18:21 Barneyk wrote: Is there a way I can financially support the current Brood War resurgence?
I feel a bit cheap watching restreams, I would gladly pay 10$ a month for this but there isn't a way is there?
OGN is streaming SSL (besides other content) on their Twitch channel but there's still no option to subscribe to the channel. I'm hopeful that will change soon. That would probably be the easiest way to go about it. Otherwise there's really no way that I'm aware of other than picking a specific player or organization, asking for their paypal and sending them some money. Sending balloons on afreeca as a foreigner unfortunately isn't possible.
The simplest way to help atm is to give some views to anything that gets uploaded to youtube and like the organizations and players on facebook and like anything BW related they post.
The most important thing is to get OGN onboard and to broadcast the games. In previous attempts to get this going it's all been online. Players kept having timing conflicts and droping out and genrally just not taking it too seriously. Having the games in the studio with a crowd and broadcast on TV will make all the difference in my opinion. The next step is to get the sponsors onborad and to get crowd and viewing figures that tell companies it's worth investing in Broodwar again. But that will come from the games been broadcast and popular. The studio atmosphere makes such a difference.
My understanding is that only the playoffs are offline and broadcast live. That is at least an improvemenet. OGN has so much rubish and repeats, please just make space for a simple format proleague, please.
On August 08 2015 00:45 HyralGambit wrote: Hell, it's about time... again.
6 ex-pro teams... hm...
SKT1: Bisu, sSak, Larva (Best should be finishing army soon) STX: hero Last Shuttle Woongjin: ZerO free GuemChi PianO Oz: Killer HiyA (need more) CJ: EffOrt, Mong, Iris MBC + Mind? or Fox with Mind + Nada?
Kwanro can be anywhere :O
OP says no ex-progaming teams. I'm guessing none of the old teams mentioned above will be participating. The players can still participate though.
This is the only bad bit of news. How can I support all the ex SKT players if they're not on the same team?
While its always great to hear about new leagues, I can't say I'm very optimistic about this. Not to start a BW - SC2 debate or anything here, but its the truth that the BW scene doesn't have a lot, if any new blood. Most of the people who spectated SSL are people in their 30s and 40s, with very few 20's actually having a avid interest. Its almost impossible to find kids and teens around the OGN booths as well. As we all know by now via Carmac, new players are the sign of a healthy esports. However, the spectators and the current players are all pretty much an extreme minority compared to e-sports in general. Ex-pro players really don't have that many years left in them, and there isn't a huge amateur player pool to make teams in general. This will undoubtedly strengthen the existing opinion that some KR fans have begun to say, which is the games themselves are for the most part not very good (apart from when ace level ex-pros play of course). I too think that the BW scene itself is a remnant of the past; something that is really nostalgic but not quite practical enough to jump back as a major esport. With all this in mind, while this is great to see nostalgically, its quite hard to enjoy for me because it just doesn't fit in the current era of esports in general.
On August 08 2015 23:02 Orlok wrote: While its always great to hear about new leagues, I can't say I'm very optimistic about this. Not to start a BW - SC2 debate or anything here, but its the truth that the BW scene doesn't have a lot, if any new blood. Most of the people who spectated SSL are people in their 30s and 40s, with very few 20's actually having a avid interest. Its almost impossible to find kids and teens around the OGN booths as well. As we all know by now via Carmac, new players are the sign of a healthy esports. However, the spectators and the current players are all pretty much an extreme minority compared to e-sports in general. Ex-pro players really don't have that many years left in them, and there isn't a huge amateur player pool to make teams in general. This will undoubtedly strengthen the existing opinion that some KR fans have begun to say, which is the games themselves are for the most part not very good (apart from when ace level ex-pros play of course). I too think that the BW scene itself is a remnant of the past; something that is really nostalgic but not quite practical enough to jump back as a major esport. With all this in mind, while this is great to see nostalgically, its quite hard to enjoy for me because it just doesn't fit in the current era of esports in general.
They know that already and that is why if you read the OP, they are thinking about two teams with amateurs, In Korea BW is so much popular than SC2, which brings your question to the other field, SC2 can survive without Blizzard influx of money? answer not at all. You dont see the influx of big numbers of new pro players in any game btw, for me the SC scene in three years will be, foreign tournaments with 20k viewers for LOTV,, and Starleague and Proleague in Korea for BW, not with the strenght of the old days, but with a stable smaller scene.
On August 08 2015 23:02 Orlok wrote: While its always great to hear about new leagues, I can't say I'm very optimistic about this. Not to start a BW - SC2 debate or anything here, but its the truth that the BW scene doesn't have a lot, if any new blood. Most of the people who spectated SSL are people in their 30s and 40s, with very few 20's actually having a avid interest. Its almost impossible to find kids and teens around the OGN booths as well. As we all know by now via Carmac, new players are the sign of a healthy esports. However, the spectators and the current players are all pretty much an extreme minority compared to e-sports in general. Ex-pro players really don't have that many years left in them, and there isn't a huge amateur player pool to make teams in general. This will undoubtedly strengthen the existing opinion that some KR fans have begun to say, which is the games themselves are for the most part not very good (apart from when ace level ex-pros play of course). I too think that the BW scene itself is a remnant of the past; something that is really nostalgic but not quite practical enough to jump back as a major esport. With all this in mind, while this is great to see nostalgically, its quite hard to enjoy for me because it just doesn't fit in the current era of esports in general.
yeah nobody should ever ever play chess/weiqi or create tournaments because they are old games and not mainstream, thats right? we should only play hype new games and ditch old ones forever.
nobody expect BW to be big again, as long as there is a stable following, demand and playerbase like chess/weiqi it can live for as long as desired.
few of the games in ssl has reached the level of the old days? are you forgetting people dont practice this game in regimented training houses anymore? now sonic is providing such an environment for the amateurs and we can only see better improvements in gameplay from then. small step but still a start.
and most of people in the ssl audience are 30s and 40s? lol either you didnt watch or you need to check your eyesight then.
On August 08 2015 23:59 palexhur wrote: They know that already and that is why if you read the OP, they are thinking about two teams with amateurs, In Korea BW is so much popular than SC2, which brings your question to the other field, SC2 can survive without Blizzard influx of money? answer not at all. You dont see the influx of big numbers of new pro players in any game btw, for me the SC scene in three years will be, foreign tournaments with 20k viewers for LOTV,, and Starleague and Proleague in Korea for BW, not with the strenght of the old days, but with a stable smaller scene.
yeah i thought by now its pretty well known that in korea both sc2 and bw are nothing in comparison with the big LoL. sc2 is only popular in the west, nobody in korea plays sc2 for fun. i would say theres no real influx of players for sc2 either, maybe a spike when lotv release but thats about it.
On August 08 2015 23:02 Orlok wrote: While its always great to hear about new leagues, I can't say I'm very optimistic about this. Not to start a BW - SC2 debate or anything here, but its the truth that the BW scene doesn't have a lot, if any new blood. Most of the people who spectated SSL are people in their 30s and 40s, with very few 20's actually having a avid interest. Its almost impossible to find kids and teens around the OGN booths as well. As we all know by now via Carmac, new players are the sign of a healthy esports. However, the spectators and the current players are all pretty much an extreme minority compared to e-sports in general. Ex-pro players really don't have that many years left in them, and there isn't a huge amateur player pool to make teams in general. This will undoubtedly strengthen the existing opinion that some KR fans have begun to say, which is the games themselves are for the most part not very good (apart from when ace level ex-pros play of course). I too think that the BW scene itself is a remnant of the past; something that is really nostalgic but not quite practical enough to jump back as a major esport. With all this in mind, while this is great to see nostalgically, its quite hard to enjoy for me because it just doesn't fit in the current era of esports in general.
Just watch this Video and you will see how young the audience is.
On August 08 2015 23:02 Orlok wrote: While its always great to hear about new leagues, I can't say I'm very optimistic about this. Not to start a BW - SC2 debate or anything here, but its the truth that the BW scene doesn't have a lot, if any new blood. Most of the people who spectated SSL are people in their 30s and 40s, with very few 20's actually having a avid interest. Its almost impossible to find kids and teens around the OGN booths as well. As we all know by now via Carmac, new players are the sign of a healthy esports. However, the spectators and the current players are all pretty much an extreme minority compared to e-sports in general. Ex-pro players really don't have that many years left in them, and there isn't a huge amateur player pool to make teams in general. This will undoubtedly strengthen the existing opinion that some KR fans have begun to say, which is the games themselves are for the most part not very good (apart from when ace level ex-pros play of course). I too think that the BW scene itself is a remnant of the past; something that is really nostalgic but not quite practical enough to jump back as a major esport. With all this in mind, while this is great to see nostalgically, its quite hard to enjoy for me because it just doesn't fit in the current era of esports in general.
The difference is that SC2 is so bad from both a gameplay and entertainment standpoint, that it doesn't really matter whether there is new blood or not - The pro scene should be finished relatively soon, because it is not very interesting to play or watch. This was already evident in Korea during OGN's transition from BW to SC2. The BW proleagues in their final seasons had high viewership ratings, and the live events were packed - once the transition to SC2 came around, the stadiums weren't even half full, and viewership plummeted.
Ultimately viewership ratings (>>> advertising >>> sponsors) are the primary determinant of a successful Esport (or any sport). SC2 failed in this respect from the outset - certainly in Korea, while BW had high viewership ratings in the years prior to the transition, and high ratings during the current SSLs and other similar events.
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