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Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 22:49:14
December 09 2014 22:48 GMT
#1

Unique Games from early MSL/OSLs:



Many people who started to follow the Korean Professional Brood War scene in the later years, like myself, probably have not seen many games from the beginnings of OSL and MSL. Thankfully because of the work of moktira and Thinasy, their collection of MSL and OSL games, almost every televised game from the past is easily accessible for foreigners nowadays. As I never witnessed the exciting early stages of professional Brood War at the time, I began to slowly fill in the gap. Lo and behold, I was not disappointed. While in terms of macro the games were mediocre at best, the variety of maps and strategies the opponents tried to pull off was remarkable.

So here I present to you a selection of games with (at the time) unusual strategies from the first Stout MSL and the OSLs up to Nate OSL 2002.

00-09-11
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7053_ComBi_vs_Grrrr.../vod
Combi goes for a Hydra timing attack against Grrrr... in a ZvZ.

01-02-16
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7017_nO.1_vs_YellOw/vod
Yellow goes for a relay slow lurker drop on an island map ZvT and catches his opponent off guard by the early timing.

01-02-23
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7368_Kingdom_vs_Star)_Boy/vod
Greediness was no alien concept in those times as Kingdom proves with his Forge Expand into 3rd base shortly after. He follows it up with mass Reaver Corsair.

01-03-16
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/7367_BoxeR_vs_Star)_Boy/vod
For all those who cry “Terran imba” for every map they see, this is what a Terran map really looks like.
+ Show Spoiler [Neo Blaze] +
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Boxer abuses the high ground that surrounds every base by lifting a Factory on the high ground and producing Vultures. This map basically forces Protoss to go fast Robo and Zerg to go fast Muta or drop to effectively stop this kind of harrassment.

01-03-30
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/5312_BoxeR_vs_IntoTheRain/vod
Boxer goes 2 Port Wraith vs the Protoss IntotheRain. He responds with Corsairs followed by disruption web and Goons to stop Boxer’s Tank push, while transitioning to Carriers.

01-04-06
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/6200_BoxeR_vs_JinNam/vod
One of first ZvTs featuring Defilers. Despite being on the backfoot and on 1 base for most of the game Boxer manages to hold his defense versus JinNam who has half the map.
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At the same time it is also a showcase to why Zergs did not bother with Defilers in the early days. Despite the overwhelming advantage JinNam had in that game, his tech to defilers may have been his downfall in this game. In the first engagement with 3 defilers he does not use any spells and suicides all Lurkers and a bunch of Hydras. In the second attack he uses pure Hydras with his Defiler but casts dark swarm also on the M&M ball making you wonder if he knows what dark swarm does. JinNam then sticks to an almost pure Hydra-Defiler composition without using plague and eventually loses to Boxer's continuous drops.


01-09-08
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/5637_BoxeR_vs_YellOw/vod
Unable to overcome the map that is Ragnarok, Yellow thinks of a Sunken Rush versus Boxer.

01-10-26
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/6370_GARIMTO_vs_TheMarine/vod
Maybe my favorite game from this OSL. One day this Protoss must have thought to himself: "Who needs Dragoons in TvP when you can build Archons. I don't want to deal with the stupid Dragoon AI and spider mines."

02-04-12
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/5930_BoxeR_vs_fOru/vod
Going for another unorthodox strategy, Boxer walls himself in while floating his production out to kill the Protoss with an M&M attack.

02-04-05
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/6915_SONJJANG_vs_V-Gundam/vod
Gundam abuses the map more than the map makers probably intended with a special tank drop.

03-04-24
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/5908_BoxeR_vs_JinSu/vod
Boxer uses blind and cloaked Wraiths to his advantage.

03-05-29
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/4296_V-Gundam_vs_Zeus/vod
14 CC on an island map is not economic enough for Gundam, he needs 3 CC before Barracks.

03-06-12
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/2217_Nal_rA_vs_Zeus/vod
Nal_Ra rushes Carriers on an island map in PvP.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 09 2014 22:53 GMT
#2
Another fun Boxer game against hiya where he uses bio to gain map control and confuses hiya


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prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
December 09 2014 23:10 GMT
#3
Neat compilation [image loading]

Thank you!
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3455 Posts
December 09 2014 23:30 GMT
#4
I've missed most of these!
Thanks for the great xmas gift [:
Glad these VODs survived.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 10 2014 00:53 GMT
#5
thanks, thats a nice complilation (;
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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
December 10 2014 02:12 GMT
#6
What about Boxer vs Joyo mycube OSL on paradoxx?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
December 10 2014 04:14 GMT
#7
^ it wasn't really considered "unique", more like a "comeback" (though by today's standards it isn't much haha)
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 10 2014 04:56 GMT
#8
I've already watched several of these and they were fun games.

I think the reason defilers weren't really used was because dark swarm negated the hydra styles vT prevalent during the time.
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-10 05:29:04
December 10 2014 05:28 GMT
#9
Weren't a bunch of these from pimp plays compilations?

Surprised you didn't include any of the map with the neutral CC in the middle that zerg could infest.

(ZVP IMBA)
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pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2498 Posts
December 10 2014 05:39 GMT
#10
nice
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Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
December 10 2014 10:15 GMT
#11
On December 10 2014 14:28 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Weren't a bunch of these from pimp plays compilations?

Surprised you didn't include any of the map with the neutral CC in the middle that zerg could infest.

(ZVP IMBA)

I don't remember much of those games being shown in Pimpest Plays but I sadly don't have any PP highlight videos from before 2005. If someone knows where to find them, I would appreciate some sources.
The article focuses on pretty old games, that most people probably have never seen but are worth a watch.
The game you mention is great, but it is probably well known to most people and relatively recent in comparison (2009).
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
December 10 2014 10:28 GMT
#12
Haha I have my evening entertainment sorted, thanks for compiling these :D

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~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
December 10 2014 13:17 GMT
#13
Thanks, i still remember a few of them, but it's always a pleasure to discover some good ones of those i couldn't watch back then !
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
December 10 2014 14:18 GMT
#14
Great selection of games
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PharaphobiaSC2
Profile Joined November 2014
Czech Republic85 Posts
December 10 2014 14:21 GMT
#15
If you guys dont mind I have personal 10 TB Cloud server at my homeoffice. I could start slowly downloading VODs and replicate then to Ms servers so they will stay alive simply forever (until I die)
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 10 2014 14:32 GMT
#16
Sad that we have no more island maps these days. Was there really no way to work around the imbalance?
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5595 Posts
December 10 2014 17:34 GMT
#17
What a treat, thanks a bunch!
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Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
December 10 2014 21:53 GMT
#18
On December 10 2014 07:53 amazingxkcd wrote:
Another fun Boxer game against hiya where he uses bio to gain map control and confuses hiya


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJZzpRfptcc

One of my all time favourites for sure
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dbssaber
Profile Joined September 2013
United States193 Posts
December 10 2014 23:15 GMT
#19
Nice VODs; I hadn't seen many of them before! Really enjoyable games, even if those old sci-fi space uniforms were pretty cringey...
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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
December 11 2014 02:56 GMT
#20
Those are some great games. Thanks a lot!

On December 10 2014 14:28 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Weren't a bunch of these from pimp plays compilations?

Surprised you didn't include any of the map with the neutral CC in the middle that zerg could infest.

(ZVP IMBA)


I can't remember a single one of those games being in the pimpest plays. Maybe I've missed some o0
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