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On September 19 2011 04:55 moktira wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:39 phosphorylation wrote:
i'm seriously considering translating either stork/bisu/jaedong episode
maybe i will do half episode (50min) of two progamers (whichever half is more interesting..stork second half was something else indeed)
i read earlier some guy was wiling to donate some money
just some additional monetary incentive will probably push me over the edge.. If you want to translate it that would be great and very much appreciated, but do it because you want to do it, do it for the community, for your love of BW, but I don't think you should do it for money. Especially other members of this website's money. Anyway, today's episode: Episode 39:  ReachPart 1: ![[image loading]](http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1599/vodaz1.gif) + Show Spoiler +Part 2: + Show Spoiler +
well, i really do actually want to help the community but a little bit of cash is just extra incentive to get me started since this will take me hours to do (trust me, i can make more money doing other things). i think i am goign to just get started on it regardless of whether i get money or not. are you willing to help me out (i've sent you a msg. on youtube about adding subs)?
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Ireland1543 Posts
On September 19 2011 05:43 phosphorylation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:55 moktira wrote:On September 18 2011 06:39 phosphorylation wrote:
i'm seriously considering translating either stork/bisu/jaedong episode
maybe i will do half episode (50min) of two progamers (whichever half is more interesting..stork second half was something else indeed)
i read earlier some guy was wiling to donate some money
just some additional monetary incentive will probably push me over the edge.. If you want to translate it that would be great and very much appreciated, but do it because you want to do it, do it for the community, for your love of BW, but I don't think you should do it for money. Especially other members of this website's money. Anyway, today's episode: Episode 39: ReachPart 1: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55olLpUtTcA Part 2: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqaU-XCOwes well, i really do actually want to help the community but a little bit of cash is just extra incentive to get me started since this will take me hours to do (trust me, i can make more money doing other things). i think i am goign to just get started on it regardless of whether i get money or not. are you willing to help me out (i've sent you a msg. on youtube about adding subs)?
I'll happily upload it to nevake alright, I'd just rather there was no money involved. And it will take a long time to do, about ten minutes for every minute.
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Involving money like this reminds me of SC2, where apparently everything is about money, so I echo moktira's opinion on that. The BW community has always been about volunteer work and it should stay like that.
Anyway, JD spoilers,
+ Show Spoiler +he managed to win every single game, was that a first for this season? I do believe they said it hadn't happened yet during Reach's episode, so I was curious if anybody caught that.
Also, thanks for these uploads, moktira et al. 
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On September 19 2011 08:35 kuroshiroi wrote:Involving money like this reminds me of SC2, where apparently everything is about money, so I echo moktira's opinion on that. The BW community has always been about volunteer work and it should stay like that. Anyway, JD spoilers, + Show Spoiler +he managed to win every single game, was that a first for this season? I do believe they said it hadn't happened yet during Reach's episode, so I was curious if anybody caught that. Also, thanks for these uploads, moktira et al.
Bisu also won all his games.
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well, i really do echo your notion about not being it about money in the bw community, since i really do cherish this community a lot. but i am seriosuly doing this mostly for community. few bucks for working probably 6-8 hours on it is definitely not worth it without having the primary reason (i can easily tutor people for 50/hour if i actually wanted to make money), hence I still consider it "volunteer" work
i just think of it as added incentive to get me started on this big project.
but if you are really opposed to it, i guess i will have to think about it a little more (i will still probably do it)
and yes, i realize you put in insane hours for the community for no money at all, moktira
but you are basically saint and a god, and i am not
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Thanks for the uploads, moktira and everyone else.
I'm extremely happy to see that a new JD B.net attack has been uploaded. Awesome episode. Is anyone planning to sub this episode?
Also, I was wondering, did he happen to say anything about the current state of the (former =( ) Oz team members during the episode?
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No, to the second question, although he didn't sound THAT pessimistic in general.
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On September 19 2011 13:03 phosphorylation wrote:
No, to the second question, although he didn't sound THAT pessimistic in general.
Ah okay, thanks.
On JD's episode + Show Spoiler +who was the T in the last game? Seemed pretty good.
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+ Show Spoiler +he was an gosu amateur that they selected. jaedong played him last bnet episode and lost playing zerg. jaedong was obviously furious and sought revenge
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On September 19 2011 07:45 moktira wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:43 phosphorylation wrote:On September 19 2011 04:55 moktira wrote:On September 18 2011 06:39 phosphorylation wrote:
i'm seriously considering translating either stork/bisu/jaedong episode
maybe i will do half episode (50min) of two progamers (whichever half is more interesting..stork second half was something else indeed)
i read earlier some guy was wiling to donate some money
just some additional monetary incentive will probably push me over the edge.. If you want to translate it that would be great and very much appreciated, but do it because you want to do it, do it for the community, for your love of BW, but I don't think you should do it for money. Especially other members of this website's money. Anyway, today's episode: Episode 39: ReachPart 1: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55olLpUtTcA Part 2: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqaU-XCOwes well, i really do actually want to help the community but a little bit of cash is just extra incentive to get me started since this will take me hours to do (trust me, i can make more money doing other things). i think i am goign to just get started on it regardless of whether i get money or not. are you willing to help me out (i've sent you a msg. on youtube about adding subs)? I'll happily upload it to nevake alright, I'd just rather there was no money involved. And it will take a long time to do, about ten minutes for every minute.
I mean, I do appreciate the sentiment but I can only look at it as I want something and I can't get it for myself. I'm extremely grateful to everybody who donates their time to the BW community in various ways, especially translation, but if something I would like doesn't pick up a volunteer that doesn't stop me from wanting it. I'm certainly not going to expect somebody should just pick it up and do it because I want to it, so I'm happy to provide some money to a project that otherwise somebody couldn't justify their time doing.
There are definitely some problems with the idea of monetary involvement (just in the community without even getting into copyright) and I don't know how I would feel if this became common place or a significant factor in the process of projects but I just don't see that happening.
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Ireland1543 Posts
Let me just explain why I feel so strongly about there being no money involved in this.
This whole community has worked tirelessly for almost ten years and brought free service from volunteers who gave up hours every day to make it what it is. I sat on my ass for over three years doing absolutely zero work, watching VODs, reading articles, watching every single episode of Nal_rA's Oldboy (and being disappointed when there was a delay one week even though this was a free service) and all this time I barely uttered a thanks. But then, one day, I began uploading and now do it virtually every day. I could not have done this if so many people before me hadn't made this community what it is.
But it's not just VODs, everything is so accessible and easy to find, there's so many articles about the scene, explaining what is going on, etc. If things were harder to find, or there was even a nominal fee to join I would never have bothered, I probably wouldn't even have found those VODs that got me interested in the first place and never known what I was missing. Similarly, absolutely everybody here, is here because of those reasons. You would not be here if it wasn't for years of labour of others to make this website what it is and make all these VODs available. The majority of us wouldn't even know about the Korean scene.
And then there's the whole question of where the VODs come from. Did you ever wonder why a few months ago I'd serious trouble getting VODs from MBC yet now I generally get MBC VODs twenty minutes after the event happened, we usually get part 1 of these Bnet attacks on nevake before part 2 is finished broadcasting. Look through this thread and you'll see after a few weeks we couldn't get anymore episodes and then on page 21 all of them are uploaded. So if you get some money for translating are you going to give some percentage of your profits to the source of those VODs? Without that you wouldn't be able to make any money so it's only fair. And then do you pay that person again to upload them to nevake for you? Well I don't want any money for this but I also don't want people making money off the service I provide.
And people know me, people see my posts on the Small VOD Thread, and I'm now well recognised at this point and thanked a lot, but so much goes on behind the scenes that people have no idea of, there's so many people who have done so much more work than me in the past and do equally as much today. Look at TLPD for example, if you want to find any game that has ever happened you can search for it so easily, and then over 10,000 of those games have VODs. Do you know who coded that? Do you know who added all that data? Do you know who currently adds every single game and continually updates it? And now do you know how much money those people get for it? Nothing.
Similarly with streamers, I know one streamer who pays for a Korean VPN to help stabalise the streams. They regularly get up at crazy hours and broadcast games for thousands of us and they're so consistent and reliable. And none of them have any financial incentive. Same for every other translator, look at this whole thread, how much work the creator of this thread puts in here to keep us updated of this programme but also so many other things. Would you have known Bnet Attack had started up again without him? I wouldn't have, so I guess he's entitled to a portion of the profits too.
None of these people ever ask for or expect any money. And without it none of us would be here. All of them just get up and do it, they don't wait to be asked, they just pick it up and do it. If one of them did come into a thread and say "I could do this but it would be nice to get some cash for ir", I'd just think, if that's how you feel don't fucking bother. Someone else may come along someday and do it for free.
Who's to say, one of the people here may also not do much now but in two years time begin to contribute every single day. You'll get more respect and appreciation if you just go ahead and do it -- and even that's a weak argument, you shouldn't do something to gain respect or appreciation, you should do it because you want to do it, it's something you'd like to see done and it's a service you can provide. This community is built up of contibutors who have never asked for anything in return. As you said yourself, you could easily make more money doing something else, so if it's money you're after then do something else. And to the people saying they don't mind paying for something they want, fine, then get together and hire a professional to do it and get it done perfectly.
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On September 19 2011 22:14 moktira wrote:Episode 40: PusanPart 1: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QybTzzUi26w Part 2: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-HbjCO_4Hk
Thanks
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haha, the one with jaedong makes me appreciate his surprisingly amiable personality.
<3<3<3
Stop looking so mean in games 형!
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pusans' playstyle is so entertaining
old school players sure know how to entertain
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I thought yellow moved to sc2... Or mayb i got it wrong and he only plays it ocasionally.
Anyway, great news, and big thanks for the old ones. Ill surely watch it whenever i get some free time (friday most likely).
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Today's guest was Ruby.
Tomorrow's guest is Odin.
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Netherlands3122 Posts
is there an stream who broadcast this?
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