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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: so .. i was just theorycrafting .. if bisu's 1st and 2nd probe is denied of scouting .. can the zerg just mass speedlings and win against this build? canceling all tech .. GL with that. Bisu's infamous for keeping his scouting probe alive. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On February 25 2011 10:09 aimaimaim wrote: srsly .. why is this build so strong?? well its not strong .. zerg just needs to have a Bisu sniper .. a ZvB specialist that has the following traits: -500 eapm -when he plays all units have +1 carapace w/o upgrading .. -can spawn 4 scrouges with one egg -sunks deal 50 damage LOL Anyway, on topic. Whenever I do this the Zerg just gets 5000 hydras up my face.  . I can never fight hydralisks with mass zealots like Bisu does. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: so .. i was just theorycrafting .. if bisu's 1st and 2nd probe is denied of scouting .. can the zerg just mass speedlings and win against this build? canceling all tech .. Speedling allins are only good if Protoss is careless enough to leave holes in his walls. Bisu usually has enough Zealots positioned to block any sort of runby (his game vs Great an exception), | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:12 vOdToasT wrote: LOL Anyway, on topic. Whenever I do this the Zerg just gets 5000 hydras up my face. . I can never fight hydralisks with mass zealots like Bisu does.i too have these problems .. so i make HTs, but the problem with HTs they are slow as hell. so is casting only 1 storm cost effective for HTs before they die? thats why i try to make more DTs instead of HTs because i think they arent cost effective .. On February 25 2011 11:16 ArvickHero wrote: Speedling allins are only good if Protoss is careless enough to leave holes in his walls. Bisu usually has enough Zealots positioned to block any sort of runby (his game vs Great an exception), oh ok .. scratch that .. will continue my theorycrafting later  also i gotta ask .. when do i need to start making goons? when lurkers are out? or when my HTs are our for better protection for HTs? | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:17 aimaimaim wrote: i too have these problems .. so i make HTs, but the problem with HTs they are slow as hell. so is casting only 1 storm cost effective for HTs before they die? thats why i try to make more DTs instead of HTs because i think they arent cost effective .. oh ok .. scratch that .. will continue my theorycrafting later also i gotta ask .. when do i need to start making goons? when lurkers are out? or when my HTs are our for better protection for HTs? You just have to keep your templar out of sniping range for dras, avoid getting flanked as well. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: so .. i was just theorycrafting .. if bisu's 1st and 2nd probe is denied of scouting .. can the zerg just mass speedlings and win against this build? canceling all tech .. there are two obvious flaws in your theory 1. Bisu's probe. Someone needs to make a wasp meme for Bisu's probe (it's the motherfucking Bisu probe, it's his nature to fuck shit up .etc). You don't kill Bisu probes, but rather hope that it has an emo day and decides to commit suicide. 2. If a Protoss player, or any programer in general is denied from scouting, i'm pretty sure it's text book to put up static defense or at least make more units to prevent potential all-ins. btw, nice read Edit: I think the biggest factor in Bisu's brilliant PvZ is his corsair. Not so much of the micro, even tho it does play a big part, but more so of how he uses his corsairs and his decision on how many corsairs he should make. Says in game where the zerg totally skips mutas and makes a shit ton of hydras, any other Protoss player would be like "oh shit hydra break, i'd better skip corsairs and make quick HTs and more zealots". But Bisu is like "oh really?", then proceeds on making 300 sairs and overlord soup. So contradict to popular belief, a zerg can't hydra burst if he's supply blocked. On a site note, I'm pretty sure Bisu's multi-task has been discussed countless times, at least on TL.net ... it's his greatest strength but also sometimes his weakness as he tends to rely so much on his multi-task that he becomes predictable and extremely vulnerable to unorthodox plays. I always love watching Bisu's PvZ not because he wins all the times, but more of it's entertainment value. Anyone remembers that game against err Hyvva (or was it hydra?), where he dropped a couple of zealots into the zerg's main, moved in his sairs and started chasing the ovies to make the zerg believe that it was DTs, then he moved his shuttle to the nat and stormed the crap of the drone line. That was beautiful. | ||
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: so .. i was just theorycrafting .. if bisu's 1st and 2nd probe is denied of scouting .. can the zerg just mass speedlings and win against this build? canceling all tech .. On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: if bisu's 1st and 2nd probe is denied of scouting .. On February 25 2011 11:02 aimaimaim wrote: bisu's probe denied of scouting .. lol, not gonna happen...ever. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On February 25 2011 11:12 vOdToasT wrote: LOL Anyway, on topic. Whenever I do this the Zerg just gets 5000 hydras up my face. . I can never fight hydralisks with mass zealots like Bisu does.That's how  Shine did it, along with a few sunkens of course. | ||
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SkyLegenD
United States304 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On February 25 2011 12:20 pinkranger15 wrote: his multitasking skills are great not only in PvZ but in all match-up. but he sometimes choke in vT and vP. great write-up. KIM TAEK YONG FIGHTING! Well his harass play doesn't suit PvT because Terran is capable of putting up defense much better than Zerg. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
Bisu's multitasking is quite phenomenal. Should check out some of his FPVODs. They are pretty amazing. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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white_horse
1019 Posts
On February 25 2011 12:57 SkyLegenD wrote: On the Fomos board, is it that a lot of the articles are about Bisu, or TLers just like to translate articles on Bisu? I'm not complaining Fomos has written articles on a number of other players, which I have translated. But articles about someone like bisu attracts the most attention on teamliquid, which is why it seems like its always about him. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On February 25 2011 09:48 Xiphos wrote: Bisu is the kind of player that shines when he knows what is he doing. Sometime he is just very indecisive on decision. Its funny though because he just leaves his shuttle with 2 reavers someplace random where it gets sniped. Though there was that one game where that happened and he chain recalled 3 arbiters to win it anyway. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
Nice read, but it was kind of obvious.  | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On February 25 2011 10:09 aimaimaim wrote: srsly .. why is this build so strong?? well its not strong .. zerg just needs to have a Bisu sniper .. a ZvB specialist that has the following traits: -500 eapm -when he plays all units have +1 carapace w/o upgrading .. -can spawn 4 scrouges with one egg -sunks deal 50 damage Apart from his most recent games, you just described Jaedong Don't forget that his lings start with adrenal glands upgraded, too. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
Although when i first jumped in the thread i hoped so see more cute bisu pics, i am disappointed : ( | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On February 25 2011 18:08 arbiter_md wrote: I think the best ZvP-er nowadays is Action. Care to explain why? When you mentioned Action I sort of looked through his ZvP record, and the only notable wins were against Snow (maybe?) and Bisu, other than that I wouldn't call his ZvP impressive. Jaedong however, in the past six months played around 24 ZvPs in which he won 15 and lost 9 (62.5%). Out of his 9 losses: Bisu and Stork contributed to 6 of them (2 of the losses against Stork were from the OSL semi series), and 2 of them were from his amazing series against Snow. I still think Jaedong is the best ZvPer at the moment. The only reason why he has been looking less immortal was because Bisu and Stork were on a roll. | ||
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