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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 22:21:37
February 18 2011 22:17 GMT
#1
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114961&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=


Commentators Lee Seung-won, Yu Dae-hyun, Im Sung-chun, and Shark – Their picks on the MSL winner

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Hydra, who has been riding high spirits, will face Great, who is expected to bring hive tech play, in the PDPop MSL finals at Yonsei University in Seoul this coming Saturday.

Both fighting for their first individual league win ever, Hydra has the upper hand in terms of recent match records. But depending on how well Great’s hive tech preparations are, it is difficult to predict the winner of the MSL.

What do the MBC Game commentators think about who will be the next top Zerg player? With one day left until the finals, Fomos asked each of the commentators for their predictions.

▶ Lee Seung-won – If the match is decided quickly, Great will win; if the match is drawn out, Hydra will win

If the match ends in a score such as 3:0 or 3:1, I think Great will win and if the match goes all the way to last set, I think Hydra will win.

I’ve thought about who will win for a while now but I want to say that Great has the skill and aptitude to plan build orders. But if these kind of players lose the first set unexpectedly, they often crumble in the following sets. The games have to proceed at one’s pace but if Great starts to drag Hydra around with his prepared builds, Hydra will lose his games helplessly.

But Hydra is someone who has defeated Jaedong. Because he has such high spirits and such skill, Hydra has a good chance that he won’t fall to Great’s strategic play, and if he goes all the way to the last few sets, then I think he has a better chance of winning.

▶ Yu Dae-hyun – Great will win with a dramatic victory

I predict that Great will win at least 2 games out of the 5.

In one game, with only zerglings. In the 2nd game, I think he will win with the hive tech that he is confident in. Hydra is undoubtedly the best in mutalisk control but a moment of carelessness or losing a game before it progresses to mutalisk fighting is always possible. Also Hydra is someone who delights in flair when he is in the advantageous position. That might make him more prone to defeat by Great’s hive tech.

So Great will win two sets like that. And out of the remaining three, Great will have a high chance of winning when the build orders split in a way where he will be in a superior position. If this happens relatively quickly, Great could even win 3:0.

There is a high chance that instead practicing to try countering Great’s hive tech, Hydra will focus on his strengths and try to stop his opponent from executing his plans. If Hydra decides to prepare himself this way, Great will probably win at least once with his prepared hive tech builds.

▶ Im Sung-chun – Hydra victory, nothing out of the extraordinary during the match

From his current high spirits to his actual skill level, Hydra seems most likely to win. His recent match records are solid and has much more force compared to Great. I think he’ll win 3:1. If Great’s prepared builds are really good, the games might be much closer but even with all the talk about hive tech, I think he’ll win only one game with it.

▶ Shark – Great victory, and he will change the metagame in doing so

It is very difficult to predict the winner but I feel that Great’s chance of winning is slightly higher.

The reason for this is because Great has nearly perfected his hive tech builds through his preparation. From Hite Entus’ point of view, they feel that the chance of going all the way to hive tech in a game is low; in other words Hydra will probably want to try to finish the game before hive tech but if the build orders that both players choose in the beginning differ drastically, the possibility of going all the way to hive tech is definitely there. And it’s pretty clear that Great wants to show something different in this finals match.

If you look back at the finals between Savior and ChoJJa, ChoJJa changed the metagame in that match (T/N: I think he's talking about the 2005 CYON MSL). At that time, ChoJJa continuously used a 1-hatch 9 drone build and no one could play that build better than he did. And it seems like Great will display similar results when he uses his hive tech builds.

In the past, because players have often won due to their focus on changing the metagame, I feel like Great’s hive tech preparation will end up on top, even if Hydra has been skyrocketing in his recent surge.

credits: kangzuck@fomos.co.kr


(T/N: Not sure how many of you guys will see the predictions before the finals since it is very very soon but if you end up seeing this after the finals end at least you can laugh about what the commentators thought beforehand )
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 18 2011 22:28 GMT
#2
omg so pumped to watch this :D gogo change the metagame! Hive tech zvz is so exciting.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1253 Posts
February 18 2011 22:29 GMT
#3
I want to see some Hive ZvZ action! Always great fun.

No pun intended. :S
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
February 18 2011 22:32 GMT
#4
I lol'ed when I saw that Shark mentioned Savior. (It's extremely taboo to talk about any of the banned gamers in Korea)
웅진 멘쓰즈
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
February 18 2011 22:35 GMT
#5
How can this be? Great wins 3-1 in commentators


I'll be sad if Great wins the MSL!
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
February 18 2011 23:00 GMT
#6
I think Hydra will let it go to Hive in at least one game. GET HYPED!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 18 2011 23:06 GMT
#7
Hydra and great have played pretty much ZvZ the entire way, lol. Hydra's only non-Z opponent was Classic (Bo3) and great's non-Z opponents were Kal(Bo5) and Leta (Bo1). I really don't think either is really championship material yet, but if I have to pick one I'd give it to Hydra as he somehow become Neo EffOrt.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
February 18 2011 23:08 GMT
#8
I think Hydra will let it go to Hive in at least one game. GET HYPED!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
February 18 2011 23:09 GMT
#9
Go Great!! I can't wait for this!!
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
February 18 2011 23:28 GMT
#10
Everybody talks about great's great hive play, including himself, and that he's gonna use it etc. That must mean one thing - the result is going to be
+ Show Spoiler +
Great 3-0
+ Show Spoiler [How come?] +
Triple ling allin

masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
February 18 2011 23:38 GMT
#11
i cannot wait for this. even though its not hive tech. i expect hydra play. It'll be Great to see how the matchs turn out. I expect the matches will be great and we will see meta changing games tonight
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
February 18 2011 23:41 GMT
#12
I can't wait for great to use hydras against hydra.
boomer hands
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
February 19 2011 00:17 GMT
#13
On February 19 2011 08:28 ZBiR wrote:
Everybody talks about great's great hive play, including himself, and that he's gonna use it etc. That must mean one thing - the result is going to be
+ Show Spoiler +
Great 3-0
+ Show Spoiler [How come?] +
Triple ling allin


Just like Flash's anti-Carrier build and Fantasy's TvP Revolution vs Stork.
Too much mind games these days. What if Hydra is the one to force Hive Tech(and win), or Great does some offensive sunkens?
"Start yo" -FlaSh
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
February 19 2011 00:38 GMT
#14
never seen the commentators be so wrong before. at least one knows what he's talking about
connoisseur
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
February 19 2011 00:39 GMT
#15
I'd love to see Shark's prediction become correct but i can't see it happening tbh.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 19 2011 00:39 GMT
#16
We still haven't got Kim Carriers response. O;
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
February 19 2011 00:46 GMT
#17
Commentators are too busy hyping the fans into possible unusual sheneanigans, my bet is solidly on Hydra's mechanics.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 19 2011 00:53 GMT
#18
On February 19 2011 09:38 pieisamazing wrote:
never seen the commentators be so wrong before. at least one knows what he's talking about

Hydra's style plays well against Jeadong, but Great is an entirely different type of player. I wouldn't count him out and I think the commentators are right to give him credit. People are too focused on Hydra's ability to beat JvZ, but Great doesn't play JvZ. He plays ZvZ, and he plays it a really smart way.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
d-shiznit
Profile Joined October 2010
27 Posts
February 19 2011 01:08 GMT
#19
jaedongs going to win!
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
February 19 2011 01:33 GMT
#20
I really hope this isn't a normal PvP. Watching the same thing over and over is very dull no matter how Hydra does it in his flashy way. I want to see Hive Tech bad.
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