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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#1
General gist: Because of SKT (see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136383), OGN relents and changed the group ceremony from the 16th to the 21st.

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http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=108862&db=issue
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remag
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany354 Posts
July 15 2010 10:52 GMT
#2
that was unnecessary bad decision.Now they think that they can do whatever they want ....
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 15 2010 10:54 GMT
#3
I really like this decision. 3 hrs of practice before a match this important, and with maps being announced very late, are absolutely crucial.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
July 15 2010 10:54 GMT
#4
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
July 15 2010 10:55 GMT
#5
I'm glad that the OSL has resolved this, now it will be fair for everyone.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
July 15 2010 11:01 GMT
#6
For a situation as unfortunate as this to happen. There is only one way to look, and it's at the cause. We need better planning in the future to prevent this from happening again, because, the past is past. And we can only hope to prevent such a mistake from happening in the future.
mkchoi0801
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada125 Posts
July 15 2010 11:04 GMT
#7
On July 15 2010 19:55 J1.au wrote:
I'm glad that the OSL has resolved this, now it will be fair for everyone.


How is this fair for everyone lol. OGN just bent over and let SKT manhandle them imo. Bad move, should've DQ'ed
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 15 2010 11:05 GMT
#8
good decision by ogn. it was just a bad organization to have the group ceremony right before the playoff games when the maps are announced late, and fantasy even had to prepare for tonights msl games aswell...
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 15 2010 11:06 GMT
#9
On July 15 2010 19:54 Hyde wrote:
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.

OGN "bend around them" because they have an all-important playoff match on Saturday, for which they had very short notice on the map order. They decided not to send their players, and OGN changed the date for the best of all parties involved. For me that's the best possible solution, both for the teams and for the fans.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 15 2010 11:09 GMT
#10
On July 15 2010 20:04 mkchoi0801 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 19:55 J1.au wrote:
I'm glad that the OSL has resolved this, now it will be fair for everyone.


How is this fair for everyone lol. OGN just bent over and let SKT manhandle them imo. Bad move, should've DQ'ed


You were an idiot in the other thread and you're an idiot here.

For anyone else who thinks this is SKT getting their way unfairly:

The first and foremost mistake was the maps being distributed for only 2 days of practice. As BW fans it is better for us to have this OSL ceremony delayed so all teams will have ample practice in addition to equal practice time.

Again, it doesn't matter that SKT was the one who made the decision to withdraw. Any other team with 3 OSL qualifiers would have probably done the same. You can replace SKT with any other team and it still makes sense. Both SKT and the OSL people who decided to reverse their decision should be applauded. This is a win-win.

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 11:10:42
July 15 2010 11:10 GMT
#11
On July 15 2010 20:06 Aesop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 19:54 Hyde wrote:
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.

OGN "bend around them" because they have an all-important playoff match on Saturday, for which they had very short notice on the map order. They decided not to send their players, and OGN changed the date for the best of all parties involved. For me that's the best possible solution, both for the teams and for the fans.


So then if next week, we will see the winners of SKT/CJ and WMF/MBC decide to pull their players out because of that playoff match? Probably.

Ridiculous how OGN have succumbed to a silly move from SKT.

EDIT: Never mind, I just realised they moved it to a Wednesday. Still....
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
July 15 2010 11:10 GMT
#12
On July 15 2010 20:04 mkchoi0801 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 19:55 J1.au wrote:
I'm glad that the OSL has resolved this, now it will be fair for everyone.


How is this fair for everyone lol. OGN just bent over and let SKT manhandle them imo. Bad move, should've DQ'ed


SKT IS the epitome of e-sports, they have Boxer so they can do whatever the fuck they please.
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
July 15 2010 11:10 GMT
#13
Perfect resolution according to circumstances.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 15 2010 11:11 GMT
#14
On July 15 2010 20:10 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 20:06 Aesop wrote:
On July 15 2010 19:54 Hyde wrote:
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.

OGN "bend around them" because they have an all-important playoff match on Saturday, for which they had very short notice on the map order. They decided not to send their players, and OGN changed the date for the best of all parties involved. For me that's the best possible solution, both for the teams and for the fans.


So then if next week, we will see the winners of SKT/CJ and WMF/MBC decide to pull their players out because of that playoff match? Probably.

Ridiculous how OGN have succumbed to a silly move from SKT.

EDIT: Never mind, I just realised they moved it to a Wednesday. Still....


CJ WMF MBC did not have 3 qualifying players for OSL.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 15 2010 11:12 GMT
#15
On July 15 2010 20:04 mkchoi0801 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 19:55 J1.au wrote:
I'm glad that the OSL has resolved this, now it will be fair for everyone.


How is this fair for everyone lol. OGN just bent over and let SKT manhandle them imo. Bad move, should've DQ'ed

Wtf? It was a clear problem, they simply did something to fix it by SKT's recommendation.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 11:13:01
July 15 2010 11:12 GMT
#16
On July 15 2010 20:11 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 20:10 GTR wrote:
On July 15 2010 20:06 Aesop wrote:
On July 15 2010 19:54 Hyde wrote:
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.

OGN "bend around them" because they have an all-important playoff match on Saturday, for which they had very short notice on the map order. They decided not to send their players, and OGN changed the date for the best of all parties involved. For me that's the best possible solution, both for the teams and for the fans.


So then if next week, we will see the winners of SKT/CJ and WMF/MBC decide to pull their players out because of that playoff match? Probably.

Ridiculous how OGN have succumbed to a silly move from SKT.

EDIT: Never mind, I just realised they moved it to a Wednesday. Still....


CJ WMF MBC did not have 3 qualifying players for OSL.


CJ have Effort and Hydra. WMF + MBC have Sea and Pure so if you add them all up it's four all-together.
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 11:14:01
July 15 2010 11:13 GMT
#17
On July 15 2010 20:10 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 20:06 Aesop wrote:
On July 15 2010 19:54 Hyde wrote:
Now it just looks like SKT can do whatever they want and everyone bends around them. They shouldn't have changed the dates.

OGN "bend around them" because they have an all-important playoff match on Saturday, for which they had very short notice on the map order. They decided not to send their players, and OGN changed the date for the best of all parties involved. For me that's the best possible solution, both for the teams and for the fans.


So then if next week, we will see the winners of SKT/CJ and WMF/MBC decide to pull their players out because of that playoff match? Probably.

Ridiculous how OGN have succumbed to a silly move from SKT.

EDIT: Never mind, I just realised they moved it to a Wednesday. Still....

"Wednesday" was exactly what I wanted to tell you. Also, the day the maps are released highly matters. And as Ack noted, SKT1 has their three best players (at the moment) in that group selection.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 11:14:38
July 15 2010 11:14 GMT
#18
Think about if this happened without any incidents:

CJ has Effort and Hydra, WMF and MBC both have one. I don't know why you are grouping players together from different teams to get 5. <--- lol

If SKT loses their important match [ in regards to rankings ] do you really think that's fair, as a fan of SC progaming that they are punished for having 3 of their team qualify for an OSL.

What if CJ had 4 qualifying players and their next match could decide whether they advance in proleague or not...would you really say its fair then? This should be a no-brainer.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 15 2010 11:16 GMT
#19
You also have to consider that SKT basically did CJ a FAVOR by forcing the move. Effort and Hydra also have additional time to prepare now.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
July 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#20
On July 15 2010 20:16 Aesop wrote:
You also have to consider that SKT basically did CJ a FAVOR by forcing the move. Effort and Hydra also have additional time to prepare now.


Agreed. Anyway I'm done with the topic and happy how this turned out. It's rare in progaming to see organizers do the right thing given an unforeseen circumstance.

On another note, the team fanboyism on this site is really disgusting. Who gives a fuck what team it is, try to use logic some time. If it was CJ doing this, lots of people in this thread and the other one wouldn't be saying anything or defending CJ to the death. Writer's bias is really apparent on TL.
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