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InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
July 03 2010 23:04 GMT
#21
It's good, I think. If Kal avoided Jaedong, he'd just get completely rolled by some other good player eventually like he always does.
... Knowmsayin'?
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-03 23:25:40
July 03 2010 23:24 GMT
#22
On July 04 2010 07:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2010 07:33 Nytefish wrote:
If Kal is finding PvT very hard, PvZ must be utterly impossible for him. ~.~


Terran's just imba, the perceived PvT imbalance is non-existent ~.~


I'm not sure if you are, but are you honestly making the argument that TvP is easier than ZvP?

Honestly, I don't understand how you manage to be a dedicated BW fan when you are so convinced that the entire game is rigged in favor of one race.

Anyway, Kal is fucked against Jaedong. I would give him a <5% chance to win.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
July 03 2010 23:28 GMT
#23
No I'm saying PvT is a fair matchup.

I'm convinced because it -is- rigged cause of Terran imba ~.~
TranslatorBaa!
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
July 03 2010 23:30 GMT
#24
Interesting, an interview with MSL group F winner without the interview with the actual MSL group F winner lol.

Anyway, Kal really has some shitty luck...serves him well. Don't like PvT on these maps, eh? Have some PvZ instead!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
July 03 2010 23:37 GMT
#25
Your record against Jaedong is 3-13, with 9 straight losses.
-Even though I knew the record was very tilted, I didn’t know there was a 9 loss streak. It seems like I’m just food for Jaedong [laugh] I don’t want to contribute too many more wins to him, it’s time for me to win now.

Bai bai Kal.
CSheep Terran hate.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 04 2010 01:26 GMT
#26
I think it's more like, on open maps, Z>P>T, and on closed maps, T>P>Z, due to the necessity of flanking in ZvP, ZvT, and PvT.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
July 04 2010 01:29 GMT
#27
Poor Light. Probably one of the top 3 TvZers and no one ever seems to care about him. Seriously, he won 18 out of his last 19 TvZ matches, including wins against JD, Calm, Action, Effort and Kwanro.

Glad he made it out of the group 2-0 instead of 2-1 because he could pose a serious threat to JD.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
July 04 2010 01:52 GMT
#28
On July 04 2010 10:26 jalstar wrote:
I think it's more like, on open maps, Z>P>T, and on closed maps, T>P>Z, due to the necessity of flanking in ZvP, ZvT, and PvT.

Open maps are not really favorable for ZvT if Terran goes bio because it is easier for the Terran to dodge lurkers and dark swarms. On the other hand, closed maps are bad for ZvT if the terran goes mech since tanks become much more effective.

Basically, the Terran can always make the map favor him in ZvT.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 02:16:26
July 04 2010 02:10 GMT
#29
On July 04 2010 10:52 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2010 10:26 jalstar wrote:
I think it's more like, on open maps, Z>P>T, and on closed maps, T>P>Z, due to the necessity of flanking in ZvP, ZvT, and PvT.

Open maps are not really favorable for ZvT if Terran goes bio because it is easier for the Terran to dodge lurkers and dark swarms. On the other hand, closed maps are bad for ZvT if the terran goes mech since tanks become much more effective.

Basically, the Terran can always make the map favor him in ZvT.

Not really. Long rush distances are always good for Zerg, and the correct mix of choke points and open spaces will favor the Zerg.

If Terran has to move through an open center, mech is clunky, particularly if the third or fourth base is impossible to hold without taking a wide spread in the open center. However, if there are chokes/high ground defending the mouth of each base, a couple lurkers can hold bio in those locations, mitigating the benefit of open spaces.

I think Eye of the Swarm serves as a solid example. So might Heartbreak Ridge.

Also, a map with features that favor bio (and screw mech), but with a main/nat extremely vulnerable to mutalisk harass, may favor Zerg.
My strategy is to fork people.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
July 04 2010 02:46 GMT
#30
Actually, I am pretty impressed that Light made it out. He stated that he had no confidence in anything other than TvZ nowadays and he finished the group 2-0.
TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
July 04 2010 02:52 GMT
#31
Lol at the terran imba xD I feel for Kal ]=
Jaedong <3
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 04 2010 03:09 GMT
#32
LOL poor Kal. Always has to play Jaedong.
GANDHISAUCE
matjlav
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany2435 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 03:14:18
July 04 2010 03:13 GMT
#33
On July 04 2010 08:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
No I'm saying PvT is a fair matchup.

I'm convinced because it -is- rigged cause of Terran imba ~.~


Well, if you were just looking for another opportunity to bitch about Terran, you shouldn't have quoted the post you did, because it didn't even claim that PvT is imbalanced. Just sayin'.
BPCoffee
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
27 Posts
July 04 2010 07:22 GMT
#34
On July 04 2010 12:13 matjlav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2010 08:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
No I'm saying PvT is a fair matchup.

I'm convinced because it -is- rigged cause of Terran imba ~.~


Well, if you were just looking for another opportunity to bitch about Terran, you shouldn't have quoted the post you did, because it didn't even claim that PvT is imbalanced. Just sayin'.


I think it's perfectly fine for a Translator should be given opportunity to express their opinion in a very small T/N column since they freaking did the work and translated something for free. They deserve it, wouldn't you say? Just because it offends your point of view doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to say it
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8142 Posts
July 04 2010 07:58 GMT
#35
I think kal's problem is that he isn't very good at all at changing his play style towards his opponent. He always tries to just play his own style every game and while it works a lot of the time, when a player plays a good counter style to his he can't win. Like watching effort vs kal, effort completely changed his playing style to counter kal very well while kal just played the same style he always plays.

it's doubly bad for him vs jaedong since jaedong already has a style that counters kal easily.

BUT ONE DAY HE WILL LEARN TO ADAPT HIS PLAY STYLE TOWARDS HIS OPPONENT AND THEN HE WILL BE WINNING STARLEAGUES YALL
Free Palestine
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 04 2010 08:10 GMT
#36
ro16 Kal fighting!
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 04 2010 08:12 GMT
#37
Hi I'm Kal and I have to play Jaedong every MSL.
Remember Violet.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 04 2010 08:14 GMT
#38
On July 04 2010 17:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Hi I'm Kal and I have to play Jaedong every MSL.

He'll make it out against Jaedong. Right after Idra qualifies for a SL.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8142 Posts
July 04 2010 08:18 GMT
#39
well at least this means that kal will get out of the MSL early enough to be able to focus on the OSL more lol
Free Palestine
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
July 04 2010 10:02 GMT
#40
STX Soul GooJila. I believe.
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
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