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madcow305
United States152 Posts
Why isn't July considered a Bonjwa while Savior is? He defeated Oov during his prime, and Oov is considered a Bonjwa. He has the Golden Mouse, something even Savior couldn't get. Is it just because his OSL wins didn't come in a string of close seasons, but rather over years? | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On January 05 2010 11:50 anch wrote: after watching the Hwasin vs July on RH3 I have to ask "is hwasin stupid?" No attempt to route the scv to nat, and sends like what? 8 marines against 8 mutalisks? rape for free it seems. old games do that to you we're spoiled | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
and July also lost 0-3 to Nada in an OSL finals | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:04 siv00 wrote: Bonjwa = 3 MSL wins followed by at least 1 OSL and July also lost 0-3 to Nada in an OSL finals Boxer = 1 MSL (and I don't think it was even called the MSL) | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:07 jalstar wrote: Boxer = 1 MSL (and I don't think it was even called the MSL) He was special. | ||
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madcow305
United States152 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:04 siv00 wrote: Bonjwa = 3 MSL wins followed by at least 1 OSL and July also lost 0-3 to Nada in an OSL finals Is this definition just because it's Savior's record, and he was the one that people first started calling Bonjwa? Because to me, a Bonjwa is simply someone who is a dominant, repeat OSL or MSL winner. Why does it have to be 3 MSLs and 1 OSL? Why can't it be 3 OSLs (Golden Mouse) and an MSL? Or 4 OSLs? Or 2 and 2? | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:17 madcow305 wrote: Is this definition just because it's Savior's record, and he was the one that people first started calling Bonjwa? Because to me, a Bonjwa is simply someone who is a dominant, repeat OSL or MSL winner. Why does it have to be 3 MSLs and 1 OSL? Why can't it be 3 OSLs (Golden Mouse) and an MSL? Or 4 OSLs? Or 2 and 2? Nada, Oov, and Savior all followed the exact same pattern of 3 consecutive MSL wins followed by an OSL win, so it's considered the "path of the bonjwa". This is a good post about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105232 | ||
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XinRan
United States530 Posts
July (Ok, maybe this one is a little funny, but July has balls the size of watermelons) I insist you incorporate it. On another note, I believe NeverGG once posted that Bisu frequently "gawps" like he did during the drone drill game, so maybe Bisu wasn't that awed by the move. I personally thought the drone drill was brilliant, but I'm no PvZ strategist. Maybe you should reconsider you comments about that moment. | ||
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:04 siv00 wrote: that was just a coincidental pattern [sae with being born in November], its not a req...Bonjwa = 3 MSL wins followed by at least 1 OSL and July also lost 0-3 to Nada in an OSL finals | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:20 siv00 wrote: Nada, Oov, and Savior all followed the exact same pattern of 3 consecutive MSL wins followed by an OSL win, so it's considered the "path of the bonjwa". This is a good post about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105232 Savior didn't win three consecutive, so it's more of a general coincidence than a set rule. Not to mention Boxer. | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
But on the downside, because he's so aggressive, when he loses, it looks pretty bad. Anyways, July is the reason I started watching starcraft. | ||
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siv00
261 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:45 Avidkeystamper wrote: Savior didn't win three consecutive, so it's more of a general coincidence than a set rule. Not to mention Boxer. It's definitely not a coincidence. Sure if Flash won both leagues this season and then made gold with a close silver finish in the MSL he could be considered bonjwa, but nothing even close to that has happened other than Bisu's consecutive MSL finishes which would've fit the pattern if he hadn't lost to Mind. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:00 madcow305 wrote: Question: Why isn't July considered a Bonjwa while Savior is? He defeated Oov during his prime, and Oov is considered a Bonjwa. He has the Golden Mouse, something even Savior couldn't get. Is it just because his OSL wins didn't come in a string of close seasons, but rather over years? boxer, nada, and oov werent even called bonjwas until savior came out. Its a word that people called savior and then just called the other 3 after. Theres no specific req that makes a bonjwa except you just know they are. They just have this dominant aura around them. They are the one to beat. Anyone they play they are a favorite. They just dont lose and win everything. When july was in his prime he was top 1 for awhile but even when he was top he wasnt the favorite vs everyone. Dont get me wrong he was really good but wasnt dominant. He just didnt have that feeling to him. I think someone said this before. If you have to argue about it then they arent a bonjwa. Its just something you know when you watch them play. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
like ils said, there is no specific requirement to be a bonjwa. A bonjwa is when someone is ALWAYS a favorite (excluding rapid fanboism). Like 9:1 odds against anyone. The dominant aura flows all around their body! No matter how much you hate them, you can feel it. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On January 05 2010 12:57 MrHoon wrote: Savior was bonjwa with 2 MSL golds and 1 MSL silver. He didn't even need the OSL. like ils said, there is no specific requirement to be a bonjwa. A bonjwa is when someone is ALWAYS a favorite (excluding rapid fanboism). Like 9:1 odds against anyone. The dominant aura flows all around their body! No matter how much you hate them, you can feel it. So kinda like how Flash is now? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
We'll wait until he wins something before anointing him with that status. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
Nah, more so. Jaedong and Bisu recently went on tears like the one Flash is on and the B word came up then too. So really, As long as the three coexist I don't think any of them will become a bonjwa. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 05 2010 13:23 Athos wrote: Nah, more so. Jaedong and Bisu recently went on tears like the one Flash is on and the B word came up then too. So really, As long as the three coexist I don't think any of them will become a bonjwa. But when JD and Bisu were on their tears, the other two still could take games off them. Flash on the other hand looks pretty much indestructible right now. Holy shit he looks invincible with his star sense, map hacks, mechanics. Sick. But yes, it's still too early to tell. And holy shit ils that profile pic. So damn good. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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