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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
January 07 2010 04:12 GMT
#641
Oz (9) played an extra match than SKT (8) so Bisu still has more potential games to play thus higher trade.
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 06:17:01
January 07 2010 06:16 GMT
#642
On January 07 2010 10:47 Kouda wrote:
Jangbi for JD. Rooofl. Epic trade doods.


I don't think it's quite as easy of a trade as it looks.

Assuming both of them get sent out in week 7 against average opponents, Oz should win 1/2 and Khan 2/3. Jaedong has to play Kal and Jangbi is against Shine/Ruby. Kal isn't bad, Jangbi is on a 6 game PvZ streak, and Ruby is on a 6 game losing streak. Looking pretty good for Jangbi, but let's be pessimistic.

Jangbi 50% chance to win games:
2 team points
3 points expected value from 3 matches (EV of 50% chance to win is 1 point)
1.5 ace points (3 matches * 50% chance of ace match * 25% chance to be sent * 4 points (average with 50% chance to win it))

Jaedong 66% chance to win games:
1 team point
4 points expected value from 2 matches (EV of 66% chance to win is 2 points)
1.5 ace points (2 matches * 33% chance of ace match * 50% chance to be sent (he's only been sent 1 of 3 this round, but come on it's Jaedong) * 4.6 points (66%))

Expected value of both players is equivalent: 6.5 points. Trading costs you a point as well. Jangbi is also the higher variance play since he has more opportunities to win/lose. I suppose if you're sitting in the top 10 with Jangbi and want a safer bet, the trade is good, but if you really need to squeeze out some final points, Jangbi is the way to go.

I can't believe how long this ended up being. I'm such a nerd.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
January 07 2010 06:26 GMT
#643
Wheeee my FPL Team is fucked!

Main Team
(Z)EffOrt for (P)JangBi
CJ Entus for Woongjin Stars

Anti Team
(Z)ZerO for (P)Stork

I'm already ranked 1500 so I might as well make some crazy trades to try and get huge points and maybe finish in the triple digits
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
January 07 2010 06:28 GMT
#644
On January 07 2010 15:16 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2010 10:47 Kouda wrote:
Jangbi for JD. Rooofl. Epic trade doods.


I don't think it's quite as easy of a trade as it looks.

Assuming both of them get sent out in week 7 against average opponents, Oz should win 1/2 and Khan 2/3. Jaedong has to play Kal and Jangbi is against Shine/Ruby. Kal isn't bad, Jangbi is on a 6 game PvZ streak, and Ruby is on a 6 game losing streak. Looking pretty good for Jangbi, but let's be pessimistic.

Jangbi 50% chance to win games:
2 team points
3 points expected value from 3 matches (EV of 50% chance to win is 1 point)
1.5 ace points (3 matches * 50% chance of ace match * 25% chance to be sent * 4 points (average with 50% chance to win it))

Jaedong 66% chance to win games:
1 team point
4 points expected value from 2 matches (EV of 66% chance to win is 2 points)
1.5 ace points (2 matches * 33% chance of ace match * 50% chance to be sent (he's only been sent 1 of 3 this round, but come on it's Jaedong) * 4.6 points (66%))

Expected value of both players is equivalent: 6.5 points. Trading costs you a point as well. Jangbi is also the higher variance play since he has more opportunities to win/lose. I suppose if you're sitting in the top 10 with Jangbi and want a safer bet, the trade is good, but if you really need to squeeze out some final points, Jangbi is the way to go.

I can't believe how long this ended up being. I'm such a nerd.


Dont worry, I actually read it all. >_>;;

Still <an> epic trade.
nobodyhome
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States139 Posts
January 08 2010 02:41 GMT
#645
I'm in a bit of a dilemma that others here might also share. My problem is whether or not I should trade off stork.

Now, stork is great, and I'd bet on him to win a match almost against any other player right now except Flash. The only problem is that he isn't gonna be sent out for the match against ACE (loool January doesn't think they need stork to beat ACE), so his trade value is somewhat inflated with respect to his point-generating potential.

The people I can trade stork for are:

Bisu
Really
Violet
Roro
Leta
Sea
Effort
Jangbi
Jaedong

and everybody else down from there is a scrub compared to Stork (Zero is not a possibility because I have him on my anti-team as a result of a series of unfortunate trades).

Bisu is playing like crap so I don't want him.
Really has difficult opponents next week (fantasy and flash) so he's a no go.
Violet is playing against Action and Crazy-Hydra, ez opponents but his PvZ is his worst MU and if the games ever go to the ace matchup he won't ever be sent out.
Roro isn't that great and he has to play fbh, who sucks but is good TvZ.
Leta has only two matches left (hite has played 9) and he has to play Effort this week. No good.
Sea is like stork, only being sent out for one game this week.
Effort is playing Leta.
Jangbi is playing against Shine and Ruby. He'll probably beat Ruby (who sucks TvP), but might lose to Shine.
Jaedong only has two games left, one of them is this week against Kal, so it's not a sure win.


As I see it, if I want to try to get more points, trading away Jangbi for Stork is my best option. It'll all hinge on whether or not he'll beat Shine. But it's a gamble, so if I want to be safe, Stork is better since he'll probably beat Pure this week (and might be sent out for ace).

Thoughts?

bm
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 08 2010 13:52 GMT
#646
go for stork=>>violet, you ll thank me later
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
January 09 2010 05:39 GMT
#647
Stork Hyun Anytime ... my Anti Team.

+ Show Spoiler +
All 3 of these guys lost their games today lol way to rack in points at the end of the season when I'm ranked 1500
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 06:07:19
January 09 2010 06:07 GMT
#648
got rid of stork main and mind anti
resisted the jb for jd trade
O_O lookin good lol. /crosses fingers /nojinx
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 06:14:24
January 09 2010 06:14 GMT
#649
On January 09 2010 14:39 kOre wrote:
Stork Hyun Anytime ... my Anti Team.

+ Show Spoiler +
All 3 of these guys lost their games today lol way to rack in points at the end of the season when I'm ranked 1500

+ Show Spoiler +
erm.. hyun was sent out for ace match and won
( ・´ー・`)
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 09 2010 06:24 GMT
#650
Stork -> Bisu is starting to look great.

Trading away han on antiteam was also a good decision.

Top 10 is still within reach, come on!
TranslatorBaa!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 06:39:40
January 09 2010 06:38 GMT
#651
I expect to drop out of the top 10 tonight because I will be gaining comparatively few points. 815 or Odin on anti was good, and I also resisted the JB for JD trade. Really, I'm not sure Jaedong can take down Kal at the moment and Jangbi's being hell of reliable.

EDIT: Whoop, nope, pleasant surprise.
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
January 09 2010 06:56 GMT
#652
Man picked one of the worst anti teams ever and my trades involving At get me in more deep shit, even though my actual team is very solid (besides sparkyz) Guess I know what to do for next time.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
January 09 2010 17:54 GMT
#653
Shine & RuBy both on my anti and both lost, Mind on my main aswell, good day for me and i finally made my way to top1000 after the horrific start, have to be happy about something ;p
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
January 10 2010 03:26 GMT
#654
Wow this is the second time I've traded STX away in FPL and that it's killed me (the first time was when I traded them in R5 of last season when they went 10-1). Basically I'd be in 16th or 17th right now if I didn't trade STX for SKT. But it's not as bad as trading STX for Oz last time lol...
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
January 10 2010 04:02 GMT
#655
Just wondering will there be FPL for Winners League?
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 05:33:09
January 10 2010 05:32 GMT
#656
^ Yes.

hopefully many people got owned by Really today as I did
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
January 10 2010 05:36 GMT
#657
haha i just put flash on my anti before tonight
too bad i traded violet for him instead of 815 -.-
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 10 2010 05:40 GMT
#658
meh getting really on anti just becouse of his match vs flash, which of course is on my main, wasn't the best idea:/ at least flying and fantasy trades actually paid off for now.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
January 10 2010 05:56 GMT
#659
trading away really for violet was probably the worst decission i've made in FPL.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9037 Posts
January 10 2010 06:10 GMT
#660
On January 10 2010 14:56 BloodDrunK wrote:
trading away really for violet was probably the worst decission i've made in FPL.

I did that too. But don't worry they have one more game to play so you never know.
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