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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/static/Eng/ranking.kea?m_code=static_21 1.  Jaedong2. EffOrt3. Calm4.  Flash5.  Bisu6. fantasy7. ZerO8. Kwanro9. Leta10. Stork11. YellOw[ArnC]12. Hwasin13. JangBi14. Kal15. Luxury16. Canata17. type-b18. Light19. Movie20. go.go21. sKyHigh22. UpMaGiC23. Sea24. free[gm]25. hyvaa | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
No seriously, Flash goes 5-1 and gets *7* points. Effort goes 7-3 and gets 120. Calm goes 2-6 and gains 37. urrrrgh | ||
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ProbeSaturation
Canada292 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: How the fuck did Calm gain points on Flash after Flash went like 5-1 and calm went 2-6? No seriously, Flash goes 5-1 and gets *7* points. Effort goes 7-3 and gets 120. Calm goes 2-6 and gains 37. urrrrgh Score adjustments happen not only because people won games in the last month. They also happen because games played in November '08 drop off the record. On December 01 2009 16:13 ProbeSaturation wrote: WHOA bisu huge drop! Probably because ClubDay MSL is no longer counted in the last 12 months. | ||
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
edit: Neither is ForGG wtf? | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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okum
France5778 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote: The scores somehow have to be adjusted by less games in their career making wins more important or something. There's just noway someone who goes 2-6 with losses to hyun and Justin should gain points. He will if losses to Rumor and Roro a year ago are dropping off the record. On December 01 2009 16:20 Sinensis wrote: Half of the top ten are zergs, including all of the top three. These rankings don't seem right though. Calm over Flash? Hasn't Flash only lost 1 of his last 15 games and Calm went 2-6 this month? Again, it's from the past 12 months. You have to not only consider their record this month, but also their record in November 2008, which is no longer counted. | ||
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ProbeSaturation
Canada292 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:15 TheYango wrote: Score adjustments happen not only because people won games in the last month. They also happen because games played in November '08 drop off the record. Probably because ClubDay MSL is no longer counted in the last 12 months. Ahh kk. Makes sense. I get ClubDay MSL and the GomTV tournament from last year mixed up. | ||
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
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nomis321
United States36 Posts
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
and Zero/Kwanro (or forhitech lolol) are still in the top 10, cool | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:15 TheYango wrote: Score adjustments happen not only because people won games in the last month. They also happen because games played in November '08 drop off the record. Probably because ClubDay MSL is no longer counted in the last 12 months. Hahaha, Flash went 5-1 that month against slightly lower kespa competition so he only gains 9 points. That's kind of dumb and heavily favors new blood who did horribly a year ago, and hurts a player for playing amazingly -- consistently, for not winning a league. edit: Also yeah Violet in #39 and ForGG in #44 I think, since #39 shot up places and #44 went down a little. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Also why is Violet not even on the rank...? edit: Neither is ForGG wtf? I think those are some of the blank spots. The points and place are listed, but if you go to prior months, violet is no longer on them either. He's #39, though. Edit : He is also #22 on the individual contributions thingy. | ||
Emlary
China3334 Posts
Nice move, a new dragon? 28. Shine[kaL] Zerg Wemade FOX 663.0 ▲14 First time in top 30 because of beating Bisu, not bad. 52. PuSan[S.G] Protoss MBCgame HERO 316.1 ▲23 Hurray for the old school toss. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:28 TwoToneTerran wrote: That's kind of dumb and heavily favors new blood who did horribly a year ago, and hurts a player for playing amazingly -- consistently, for not winning a league. This is one of several complaints I have with Kespa's ranking system (another being that a player who is slumping, but won 1-2 leagues in the past year, takes forever to drop off and actually SHOW that he's slumping because of how much league wins are worth). | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Emlary
China3334 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:33 MuffinDude wrote: jangbi is still #3 protoss lol That MSL where he defeated Nada still counts... | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
Violet i believe. | ||
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ftr.midnight
Russian Federation150 Posts
Zero +180 points this month. Moving up really fast. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:54 raga4ka wrote: Looks like jaedong will be # 1 until the end of time . He lost like 250 points this month, if he doesn't win another league this season he'll almost certainly be dethroned. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Jaedong is awesome for making him play Ruby, I can't wait to see that either lol | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
3 in top 3 5 in top 8 | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
Please do something. Yours truly. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + hopefully the win against JD yesterday would raise him like 10 or more places | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
<3 | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Please get your shit together and destroy the zerg race instead of destroying each other please. Too many fucking zergs. Top 3 all zerg, and 5 of Top 8 are zergs. Is that so much to ask? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) Imba... | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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RRRMz
Russian Federation37 Posts
On December 01 2009 17:22 Burned Toast wrote: Dear July, Please do something. Yours truly. Agree. Where are you, July? | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6178 Posts
On December 01 2009 20:09 Mastermind wrote: Kespa rankings should be thrown out. They are such a joke. +1.. it's just to slow to move Flash #4 lol ???  | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
On December 01 2009 16:56 Rostam wrote: He lost like 250 points this month, if he doesn't win another league this season he'll almost certainly be dethroned. Even then, JD still sits comfortably at his throne. It's going to be this way at least for the next 2 months. I'm hoping JD can at least maintain the #1 spot for a year. That would be very impressive. | ||
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lavion
Singapore286 Posts
you just have to be consistent for a long time to get a good ranking | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
51. July[z-zone] with 317.6 points. I'm surprised to see Flash 4th even thought Effort and Calm have been playing good. | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
Now in December JD is still first with 2549 Pts. But second is not Bisu — for the first time the second is EffOrt with 1640.6 Pts. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
Jaedong has beaten both sAviOr's and iloveoov's longest streaks (of 8 months each) but is still behind July (11 months at the top) and still far behind NaDa and BoxeR (16 and 17 months respectively). | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
also his pl performance wasn't that great either | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 01 2009 20:09 Mastermind wrote: Kespa rankings should be thrown out. They are such a joke. Kespa rankings have their use, it's just that every single month without fail there is a new poster who has no clue how they work (a la TwoToneTerran in this thread for example) and start complaining before they understand the system. Kespa rankings are obviously not the best indicator of current shape, but do help gauge consistent performance. Kespa rankings are fine. Stop expecting them to be something they're not. Edit: On December 02 2009 08:30 prototype. wrote: why is calm 3rd... didn't he get knocked out of msl and already lost a game in osl also his pl performance wasn't that great either Perfect example... you do know he recently won a starleague, right?!? | ||
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prototype.
Canada4215 Posts
On December 02 2009 08:31 EvilTeletubby wrote: Perfect example... you do know he recently won a starleague, right?!? so does that mean his recent starleague win continues to add points or something... i'm not exactly sure how the kespa ranking system works, sorry. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On December 02 2009 08:37 prototype. wrote: so does that mean his recent starleague win continues to add points or something... i'm not exactly sure how the kespa ranking system works, sorry. Absolutely it does. If I remember correctly (I know there is a thread/article on it somewhere around here), the past 3 months are weighted the most heavily, with a decay for anything outside of that up to 12 months. This was to help the ranking more accurately show current form, while also helping to show who has consistently been performing. Even though Kespa ranks get released monthly, they do not simply look back at the past month only. If they did, you'd have all sorts of wierd rankings and people would be up in arms about it... but focusing heavily on the past 3 months paints a better pictures, and as I said, Calm's MSL win factors into this (along with his PL performance), hence his high ranking for this month. Edit - And what happens a lot of the time, is that older metrics will 'wear off', hence why you may have someone who had an ok month still getting passed by someone who had a terrible month... it just meant that person LOST more points overall than the other from old games rolling off. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 01 2009 17:50 ThunderGod wrote: Haha, how in hell is effort so high? He hasn't got anywhere in individual leagues that I recall...? I'm pretty sure he got farther than Flash did last season. :| | ||
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Steve496
United States60 Posts
For instance, Jaedong's ELO ranking is barely above Effort's right now, and for a while he was behind both Effort and Calm, as he's been struggling in ZvZ - but that doesn't mean he's suddenly a bad player. Even during that time, most people would say that Jaedong is "the best Z in the world right now" - and that's reflected in KeSPA, because it doesn't tank his rating just because he's had a rough month in ZvZ. So: Flash has had a great month. If he has more great months, he'll climb the ratings further. But he hasn't been the most successful player in the last year by any stretch, so it's only sensible that he doesn't immediately pop to the top due to one good month. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Now that he's not in CJ anymore I have no reason to support that guy any longer I like the kespa ranking though, I think it's cool that you dont have players dropping like crazy only because they've had a rough month. Oh btw, this is the first month in a long time that the 6 dragons are not the 6 protoss on top, right? Movie's even ahead of two of them. edit: oh well guess not looks like backho was ahead of best last month | ||
mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
very nice xD | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On December 02 2009 09:32 pubbanana wrote: Doesn't "hyvaa" mean "happy" in Finnish? Well kinda :D Merry Christmas = Hyvää joulua. (hyvaa) Good Morning = Hyvää huomenta. Have a nice weekend = Hyvää viikonloppua. Each means Hyvää in these cases. Directly happy means "onnellinen" though. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On December 01 2009 18:09 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Just look "contributions" and "individual" sections. For example, Sea[Shield] has more points from team games (Proleague etc) than individual games (MSL and OSL). Is that new thing from KeSPA? I have no clue, but I think Sea should have been a little high than that. He's fucking on fire lately... | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
1. Jaedong 2. Effort 4. Flash Just to let people know. ^_^ Edit: Actually calm doesn't appear on any of the kespa rankings. o_O | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On December 02 2009 10:22 Grobyc wrote: I have no clue, but I think Sea should have been a little high than that. He's fucking on fire lately... But he failed to get into any of the individual leagues. -.- On the other note, I am not sure how Jaedong's ridiculous lead would hold if Flash wins both individual leagues simultaneously. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On December 28 2009 09:24 dukethegold wrote: But he failed to get into any of the individual leagues. -.- On the other note, I am not sure how Jaedong's ridiculous lead would hold if Flash wins both individual leagues simultaneously. I think you get 500 points for winning a league? But JD will probably make the MSL final as well so even if Flash wins both I think JD holds on by a bit (with similar PL performances by both). It also depends on how much each player loses from 12 months ago - neither JD nor Flash got that far during the Dragon season so I don't think they'll lose an extremely different amount of points. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
But that's asking a bit much. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
for individual rankings (its not zero XD) wtf? | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 28 2009 11:52 peidongyang wrote: 2 Lookforhitech Zerg Woongjin Stars 971.8 for individual rankings (its not zero XD) wtf? Kwanro. Silver medals and pretty solid performance elsewise will get you pretty high, especially when you shed some bad months from a year ago off of him. | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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