Nada (Lee Yun Yeol) recently left a cryptic message on his social networking homepage. It appeared to be some short thoughts on soul-searching and the past, but when the first letters of each sentence were read from top to bottom....
"떠 나 기 전 마 지 막 대 회"
"The last tournament before I leave..."
*Update* Daily E-Sports reports that the WeMade Fox team is denying all rumors that Nada may be retiring. They stated "Although there was a time when Nada was unsure about his future, after consultations with his team he has decided to focus on the upcoming IeSF tournament."
Sad to see; was hoping for one last hurrah a la 2007 to even further assert him as the most consistent, greatest player ever =(. I hope this is a case of shinigamis and apples, but considering the subject of his post, I doubt it...
On December 01 2009 05:45 distant_voice wrote: has Nada already been in the military?
No.
Btw is it just me or I just have the impression that the somewhat cocky and arrogant kid prodigy Nada turned humble after his dad's accident? Nada has different faces
Is the "last tournament" possibly the one Waxangel posted recently with old-school players?
On December 01 2009 06:07 ryuu_ wrote: NOOOO NADAAAAA YOU'RE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PLAYER EVER NOOOOOOO This is truly disheartening news. I can't see progaming minus Nada, its just too hard..
He's been away from the scene for quite some time now. I'm surprised people aren't used to his absence.
In a depressing interview he said he wanted to win one more league before he retired. He was refering to the MSL after where he lost to Jangbi. Now he's not qualified for any leagues and I get the feeling all he does nowadays is work out. Nada is my second favorite player and he's not going to have enough time or win anything with his current form.
On December 01 2009 05:45 distant_voice wrote: has Nada already been in the military?
No.
Btw is it just me or I just have the impression that the somewhat cocky and arrogant kid prodigy Nada turned humble after his dad's accident? Nada has different faces
Is the "last tournament" possibly the one Waxangel posted recently with old-school players?
Also it says "Don't Remember me.." on the site.
Nada was never cocky or arrogant. I can tell you for a fact that is all in your head. He has always been so god damn humble, always complementing his opponents, and even when his career surpassed boxer's he still says stuff like he could never compare to boxer. He willingly lived in Boxer's shadow for his career not to mention as the most accomplished player in the game stayed with the bottom tier team WeMade.
You probably feel that way about Nada, just because of all of the additional meanings and thoughts that come about from having the nickname Genius terran. It's like when people call Savior Hitler, it's just a projection of how people want to see him and the image MBC/OGN stations decide to create.
The only time Nada showed that kind of arrogance was during Shinhan 3 where he was trying to win for his mom after winning the previous league for his dad.
On December 01 2009 05:45 distant_voice wrote: has Nada already been in the military?
No.
Btw is it just me or I just have the impression that the somewhat cocky and arrogant kid prodigy Nada turned humble after his dad's accident? Nada has different faces
Is the "last tournament" possibly the one Waxangel posted recently with old-school players?
Also it says "Don't Remember me.." on the site.
It's probably just you. Don't let that NaDa GIF get to you.
Given Nada's vision problems, is he even eligible to join the military, much less the air force? I really hope so. I'd love it if he went to Ace: he'd get decent playtime in proleague, and I can start rooting for Ace wholeheartedly.
On December 01 2009 06:43 tYsopz wrote: As long as he joins ACE no damage is done. Very bad timing though, if he plans to play SC2, he'll basically be a year behind everyone else.
On December 01 2009 06:43 tYsopz wrote: As long as he joins ACE no damage is done. Very bad timing though, if he plans to play SC2, he'll basically be a year behind everyone else.
I have to say i also hate jangbi even more now, lol. I really sat there watching those games thinking nada is back! I'd so like to see him win another league. My alltime favorite player.
On December 01 2009 07:08 dangots0ul wrote: Yeah i was talking to a korean friend and he told me that NaDa admitted in an interview he pretty much sucks now and his only goal is to beat boxer.
Ironically, hes implying boxer is not so good either
I really want to see this before I make a judgment because this is the opposite of what Nada has said for like 8 years. It's possible because these are his last days and living 8 years in someone's shadow should be an influence on someone despite what they say. I'll believe it when I see it.
On December 01 2009 07:08 dangots0ul wrote: Yeah i was talking to a korean friend and he told me that NaDa admitted in an interview he pretty much sucks now and his only goal is to beat boxer.
Ironically, hes implying boxer is not so good either
I really want to see this before I make a judgment because this is the opposite of what Nada has said for like 8 years. It's possible because these are his last days and living 8 years in someone's shadow should be an influence on someone despite what they say. I'll believe it when I see it.
On December 01 2009 07:08 dangots0ul wrote: Yeah i was talking to a korean friend and he told me that NaDa admitted in an interview he pretty much sucks now and his only goal is to beat boxer.
Ironically, hes implying boxer is not so good either
I really want to see this before I make a judgment because this is the opposite of what Nada has said for like 8 years. It's possible because these are his last days and living 8 years in someone's shadow should be an influence on someone despite what they say. I'll believe it when I see it.
I think you misunderstood something here. :o
I thought dangots0ul was saying in an interview Nada said his only goal now is to beat boxer and implied boxer is not so good either. Which seemed strange because Nada is always saying how great boxer is. It felt like that was not the type of stuff Nada usually says and I'd reserve my judgment for believing it until seeing it for myself.
On December 01 2009 06:18 ForSC2 wrote: Nada was never cocky or arrogant. I can tell you for a fact that is all in your head. He has always been so god damn humble, always complementing his opponents, and even when his career surpassed boxer's he still says stuff like he could never compare to boxer.
Yeah and other pro gamers say that they live in the shadow of Nada as well, this is the humble korean attitude that in fact is quite awesome. Let other people judge their accomplishments
Also what I wrote came across wrong. I didn't mean it in a negative way but more that he had more attitude to him back then. Age and his father passing away probably matured him quite alot
For the record, I'm a huge Nada fan and have been for 6 years.
On December 01 2009 07:08 dangots0ul wrote: Yeah i was talking to a korean friend and he told me that NaDa admitted in an interview he pretty much sucks now and his only goal is to beat boxer.
Ironically, hes implying boxer is not so good either
I really want to see this before I make a judgment because this is the opposite of what Nada has said for like 8 years. It's possible because these are his last days and living 8 years in someone's shadow should be an influence on someone despite what they say. I'll believe it when I see it.
Nada didn't really live in Boxers shadow though. Nada and Boxer are both in the top 5 biggest pro gamers ever, maybe even top 3 and he had huge popularity back when he was winning alot of shit. His fanclub was second only to Boxer
On December 01 2009 06:18 ForSC2 wrote: Nada was never cocky or arrogant. I can tell you for a fact that is all in your head. He has always been so god damn humble, always complementing his opponents, and even when his career surpassed boxer's he still says stuff like he could never compare to boxer.
Yeah and other pro gamers say that they live in the shadow of Nada as well, this is the humble korean attitude that in fact is quite awesome. Let other people judge their accomplishments
Also what I wrote came across wrong. I didn't mean it in a negative way but more that he had more attitude to him back then. Age and his father passing away probably matured him quite alot
For the record, I'm a huge Nada fan and have been for 6 years.
Nada probably won't join ACE. I mean he's more than likely lost interest in the game by now, the last thing he wants to do is spend his military service playing even more of it.
I wonder if he'll actually retire though..shame cause with the motivation he can still play at a top level.
On December 01 2009 08:15 cncbmb wrote: Google translate:
Korean to English translationShow romanization
I'll leave that do not actually gonna have peowa
They're gone ..
"Or" a man named ..
Daniseon days, the train ..
Take the train left the days ..
Looks like a while ago ..
What are you doing right now between the veins ..
Makmakhan situation is also ..
've Never did a great job ..
Let's do our best to fool you skeptical ..
Don't Remember me ..
Yireongeul says to leave him
If players do not like very yiyunyeol bonjwa serve on LA
I have the best seonsura
No way I'm not going to retire the Air Force zone in the mouth
Read vertically, rather than fishing bongeul's sobbing on Myspace
If the problem I'll delete;
---- //End
That second to last line We love you Nada
omfg Jangbi I guess to be fair it's not like it was guaranteed Nada would win if he had beaten Jangbi.
Ahh thanks for the translation. I have to disagree though. Looking at the form of Stork and Leta at that time and Nada at that time, if Nada beat Jangbi he would have been the favorite to win the Lost Saga MSL imo.
On December 01 2009 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote: 퍼 와도될런지는 모르겠지만 남겨볼게요 I don't know if this will make sense but i will leave this here
떠오르지 않아.. It doesnt come up (in my mind)
"나"라는 사람.. The person that is "me"
기차 타고 다니선 시절이.. The time when i used to ride the train
전철 타고 떠났던 시절도.. Even the time when i rode the subway (wtf)
마치 얼마 전 같은데.. It seems like yesterday
지금은 뭘 하고 잇는 걸까.. What am I doing now..
막막한 상황이기도 하고.. Seems like such a deplorable situation
대단한 일도 못해봤는데.. I haven't even done anything special
회의감이 들지만 최선을 다해보자.. Even though I have a feeling of dread and foreboding lets try our best
Don't Remember me..
이런글을 남기셨더군요 These letters that i left here (meaning the "this will be my last tourny")
이윤열선수 썩 좋아하진않지만 그래도 본좌라인중 The people who didnt like NaDa but still called him Bonjwa
최고의 선수라 생각하고있는데 Think of him as number 1
설마 공군입대나 은퇴하려는건아니겠죠 I doubt he'll join ACE or retire
세로로 읽어보세요 낚시아니고 미니홈피에서 본글이네요 흑흑 Please read this new one, it is not a "hook" just what i put up on my minihompi
문제가된다면 삭제할게요 ; If you have a problem with this i will delete it
not perfect and if kona or 101f will look over this and correct me i'd be so happy
퍼 와도될런지는 모르겠지만 남겨볼게요 I don't know if this will make sense but i will leave this here (this line was the person who posted Nada's poem on the forum, saying he doesn't know if it's okay to post it here but he'll do it anyhow.
Nada's poem starts here...
떠오르지 않아.. It doesnt come up (in my mind)
"나"라는 사람.. The person that is "me"
기차 타고 다니선 시절이.. The time when i used to ride the train
전철 타고 떠났던 시절도.. Even the time when i rode the subway (wtf)
마치 얼마 전 같은데.. It seems like yesterday
지금은 뭘 하고 잇는 걸까.. What am I doing now..
막막한 상황이기도 하고.. Seems like such a deplorable situation
대단한 일도 못해봤는데.. I haven't even done anything special
회의감이 들지만 최선을 다해보자.. Even though I have a feeling of dread and foreboding lets try our best
Don't remember me...
[his poem ends there...with the English line...]
seems like a good translation...I would translate "great" instead of "special" for the second to last line though...
Anyway, it's sad to see NaDa go, even if he was way before when I started watching, I'hve come to learn many great things about the best Terran that there ever was. One could even say he invented TvP and TvZ as we know it today...
D: OH SHIT man Nada's my hero and even the wallpaper on my itouch. He better not leave T.T If Boxer can come back and start winning games, Nada can too! That Set with Jangbi seemed to take a lot out of him, but god that was one AMAZING series.
Good stuff! Nada was so huge back then it's hard to grasp nowadays. He dominated Broodwar. Thanks alot for linking to that, I don't remember seeing it although I was around in 2005.
4 KINGS!
Nada, don't leave. You're the reason I started playing Terran
On December 01 2009 07:02 disciple wrote: correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know Nada is free from his military duties. Dont know the reason but he is not going to become a soldier
What I heard about is he's free from the military duty since his elder brother (not sure) has now been in the army. Something like two men from a same family don't go to army at the same time. After his brother's duty is done, I think Nada still has to go (to Ace please ><).
Technically Nada is 26 ten days ago (in Korean way). The deadline is in two years.
As I said in a thread about Nada earlier, it seems like he's lost all motivation to play Starcraft. I'll miss him but I'd much rather him quit then see him sitting around the Wemade house all day doing nothing and simply wasting time away.
On December 01 2009 11:13 EtherealDeath wrote: According to my korean friend it sounds like Nada is regretting his life as a gamer o.O If so, he might not even join ACE.
what teh fuck hes like the first golden mouse winner terran prodigy 100000 golds uber micro macro tornado terran gg fuckin gg marines and vultures fuckin shit up everywhere 2 base vs 50 gateway dad passing away then comeback to get golden mouse terran man how can anyone regret that >_______<
and so far on TLPD, along wtih boxer and yellow the only other player to have 2 pages of achievements man. and its filled with lots of gold.
it's sad to see him go. but it's the same thing that happens to everyone. every beginning has an end and this was going to happen sooner or later.
farewell lee yun yeol and thanks for all the fantastic games win or lose. but i really hope he plays for ace. his broodwar career would not be complete if he didn't.
On December 01 2009 11:13 EtherealDeath wrote: According to my korean friend it sounds like Nada is regretting his life as a gamer o.O If so, he might not even join ACE.
what teh fuck hes like the first golden mouse winner terran prodigy 100000 golds uber micro macro tornado terran gg fuckin gg marines and vultures fuckin shit up everywhere 2 base vs 50 gateway dad passing away then comeback to get golden mouse terran man how can anyone regret that >_______<
and so far on TLPD, along wtih boxer and yellow the only other player to have 2 pages of achievements man. and its filled with lots of gold.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Iv seen in many interviews that he doent enjoy his career. HE only does it for his fans.
On December 01 2009 11:13 EtherealDeath wrote: According to my korean friend it sounds like Nada is regretting his life as a gamer o.O If so, he might not even join ACE.
what teh fuck hes like the first golden mouse winner terran prodigy 100000 golds uber micro macro tornado terran gg fuckin gg marines and vultures fuckin shit up everywhere 2 base vs 50 gateway dad passing away then comeback to get golden mouse terran man how can anyone regret that >_______<
and so far on TLPD, along wtih boxer and yellow the only other player to have 2 pages of achievements man. and its filled with lots of gold.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Iv seen in many interviews that he doent enjoy his career. HE only does it for his fans.
Remember an interview from a couple of months ago where he said that Starcraft was only work for him, like going to a factory to work on an assembly line or something... Which really saddens me, he looked like he used to have so damn fun.
It sounds like he might be depressed, or maybe he's just feeling a bit down at the moment
Man, I read this and almost cried. I never got to see NaDa at his best, but I love his style and how he dedicated a win to his father. I hope one day makes a comeback, but I'm not sure anymore...
- WeMade FOX says talks of "Nada retiring" are all groundless rumors - WeMade FOX confirms that NaDa will remain as a progamer until end of 09-10 Proleague season. - They also say NaDa posting such content is due to current poor performance + issues regarding serving the military
i knew it was all bullshit, including that guy who said his friend said "this and that"
nada has won so much, is a bonjwa and a legend, why would he regret anything? and he's still just 20 something, he's still got plenty of time to do what he wants
Thanks for the update kona! At least one piece of good news to save my sad day.
I wonder if Wemade or Nada wants to renew the contract for a year or another 3-year. 2013 sounds too far regarding Nada has been depressed at the moment. He might not want it even if Wemade gives the offers.
I wonder why he's depressed, no one can remain a superterran forever, and he's certainly been at the top or near it the longest. He's still a solid player and generally much better than Midas...
On December 02 2009 01:08 Emlary wrote: Thanks for the update kona! At least one piece of good news to save my sad day.
I wonder if Wemade or Nada wants to renew the contract for a year or another 3-year. 2013 sounds too far regarding Nada has been depressed at the moment. He might not want it even if Wemade gives the offers.
He probably wouldn't get offered anywhere near as much as he is currently getting. He's currently one of the highest paid progamers I believe.
I would honestly not be suprised if Nada is contemplating retirement. Nowadays, his career has reached rock bottom as he is no longer able to compete at the highest levels like he used to. Plus, he has already achieved preety much everything a StarCraft progamer would desire to achieve. Combined with his yet uncompleted military service, it is not all that strange that he might want to cut his losses and end his career on a relatively high note.
Yes, he is still fairly young, but he is not getting any younger and Koreans often say that military service becomes harder the more you delay it. Even money is no longer much of a motivator, considering he received a major pay cut in his recent contract. So all of this must be weighting heavily on his mind.
- WeMade FOX says talks of "Nada retiring" are all groundless rumors - WeMade FOX confirms that NaDa will remain as a progamer until end of 09-10 Proleague season. - They also say NaDa posting such content is due to current poor performance + issues regarding serving the military
Nada is arguably the best player in Starcraft history as of now. He is probably feeling down because he has achieved pretty much everything there is to be achived in Starcraft, including winning the first friggin' golden mouse. So maybe he is thinking about what he wants to do in life after his SC career
Nada can still make some good bank from a progaming contract regardless of how well he plays, just because he is very well known, so he is probably gonna stay some while longer at WeMade. Besides, he needs to mentor his protegé By.Baby and Midas needs some Terran company besides Inter.Mind.
- WeMade FOX says talks of "NaDa retiring" are all groundless rumors - WeMade FOX confirms that NaDa will remain as a progamer until End of 09-10 Proleague season. - They also say NaDa posting such content is due to current poor performance + issues regarding serving the military
If the words are from this interview here, I'm thinking it's this part that makes him cry: -It is your first time winning the Finals where your mother has attended.
▶Yes, it is my first time winning the Finals, with my mother seated as the audience. But, for this very victory, I give it all to my father, though he didn't make it. From now on, I will do my best for my mother.
I'm not looking for the end ceremony, I'm looking for the video of the interview on stage. I couldn't find it for three years, it is the reason I got into watching starcraft and is the only thing I want to see.
I thought it was fitting to ask here where the most people can appreciate it.
he'll probably be back for a run at sc2 anyhow. seeing how WeMade recruited the wc3 player moon almost 2 years ago in order to prepare, they will definitely do everything in their power to keep nada playing.
- WeMade FOX says talks of "Nada retiring" are all groundless rumors - WeMade FOX confirms that NaDa will remain as a progamer until end of 09-10 Proleague season. - They also say NaDa posting such content is due to current poor performance + issues regarding serving the military
it smacks of wemade telling him to shut the fuck up and doing damage control to me (his cyworld went from public to private after that post became widely known), imo.
from the front office's point of view, it is pretty damn annoying if one of your players under contract starts to bring up retirement talk in some big open medium
On December 02 2009 12:28 Waxangel wrote: it smacks of wemade telling him to shut the fuck up and doing damage control to me (his cyworld went from public to private after that post became widely known), imo
On December 02 2009 12:28 Waxangel wrote: it smacks of wemade telling him to shut the fuck up and doing damage control to me (his cyworld went from public to private after that post became widely known), imo
Yeah, seems about right to me.
Reading through this thread, it sounds to me like this IeSF will be NaDa's last tournament, and he's focusing just on beating Boxer to win the tournament. If so we should all relish NaDa's games and cheer him on!
Aw man... I remember back in '06 when he got his golden mouse...I was in middle school and all my friends were talking about it (I'm a korean... yeah).
On December 02 2009 12:28 Waxangel wrote: it smacks of wemade telling him to shut the fuck up and doing damage control to me (his cyworld went from public to private after that post became widely known), imo.
from the front office's point of view, it is pretty damn annoying if one of your players under contract starts to bring up retirement talk in some big open medium
Why does Wemade not wanting him to talk about retirement? Other than losing some of their Nada fans, which is going to happen anyway if he really does retire. If anything it brings them some more press and attention than they normally would.
On December 02 2009 12:28 Waxangel wrote: it smacks of wemade telling him to shut the fuck up and doing damage control to me (his cyworld went from public to private after that post became widely known), imo.
from the front office's point of view, it is pretty damn annoying if one of your players under contract starts to bring up retirement talk in some big open medium
Why does Wemade not wanting him to talk about retirement? Other than losing some of their Nada fans, which is going to happen anyway if he really does retire. If anything it brings them some more press and attention than they normally would.
it creates speculation and rumors about wemade and nada
Nada comes out of his slump, qualifies for both leagues for next spring. Win the osl, capture the 4th title which eluded everyone and lead Wemade to the grand finals.
then i would say its time to retire. No doubt before that he was a legend, but just to show everyone what he can do! NADA fighting!
Wow, when i first started to read this thread i got tears in my eye's and it felt like i got punshed right in the ballsack, and now i honestly dont know what to feel :S, this rumor started off by Nada acctualy posting somthing like this and that means that nada isent in it with the passion needed to win a fourth title but i am pretty happy to hear that he's staying the season out, but something deep inside of me tells me that its gonna be a fast and quick season with very little Nada action in it due to the lack of passion = bad results in the Wemade house and that will not give him any PL matches
EPT
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