Ret in Korea - Video on SCForAll

On October 22 2009 18:32 Itachii wrote:
Is sc4all safe now?

On October 22 2009 20:02 integral wrote:
Fucking awesome. The estro coach was clearly taken aback at how old ret is, I hope that doesn't become an issue. Best of luck to ret, thanks for posting the video!

On October 22 2009 18:37 Lumi wrote:


It's fine, it always was - just some lame buggy issue that was there for a bit

On October 22 2009 20:23 XsebT wrote:

Like life ends when you hit 20 X_X.
Ret is young both physically and metally. I do not think he age is affecting his abilities. What say you, grandpa toss?

On October 22 2009 21:42 ftb wrote:


Well basicly it is right that after like 20 or so your reaction time and speed in general starts to get worse. That's why White-Ra being somewhat around thirty only has around 200 APM usually.
ZvZ for example is a matchup where any tactics or strategies are rarely seen, so the entire game is reduced to actually speed, reaction and overall unit control. So being younger and faster gives you a big advantage.

Anyway: Go ret!

On October 22 2009 21:42 ftb wrote:


Well basicly it is right that after like 20 or so your reaction time and speed in general starts to get worse. That's why White-Ra being somewhat around thirty only has around 200 APM usually.
ZvZ for example is a matchup where any tactics or strategies are rarely seen, so the entire game is reduced to actually speed, reaction and overall unit control. So being younger and faster gives you a big advantage.

Anyway: Go ret!

On October 22 2009 21:42 ftb wrote:


Well basicly it is right that after like 20 or so your reaction time and speed in general starts to get worse. That's why White-Ra being somewhat around thirty only has around 200 APM usually.
ZvZ for example is a matchup where any tactics or strategies are rarely seen, so the entire game is reduced to actually speed, reaction and overall unit control. So being younger and faster gives you a big advantage.

Anyway: Go ret!

On October 22 2009 21:50 IdrA wrote:

you dont actually get slower as you get older when you're in your 20s. ra's a coincidence, and theres not that many fast foreign protosses, or fast foreigners in general, anyway.

the korean's attitude towards age is more based on the manditory military service + the fact that older players dont really want to focus solely on gaming as much as younger kids will. if someone is in their mid 20s but doesnt have other obligations and is willing to practice all day theres nothing wrong with it.

On October 22 2009 21:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Looking at other physical activities (piano) and mental activities (chess). It is evident that a human being could be in peak BW condition well past age 20. Since Koreans start young and their training method is highly susceptible to burning out, there is a trend of BW players doing worse in their early to mid 20's.

On October 22 2009 22:43 XsebT wrote:

Well, you certainly aren't improving that statistic. Why d'fuck aren't you in the e-stro house practicing PvZ with ret? :D

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:08 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:

Remember we will always be here. 24/7 holding your back!

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:
I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:08 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:

Remember we will always be here. 24/7 holding your back!

On October 22 2009 23:52 Holgerius wrote:

This! The entire foreign community is behind you, Ret!

I'm amazed that Idra hasn't complained at all (unless I missed something) about loneliness during his stay in Korea. He sure has strong willpower.

I'm amazed that Idra hasn't complained at all (unless I missed something) about loneliness during his stay in Korea. He sure has strong willpower.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 23:03 ret wrote:


I wish he was. The hardest part about being here is being very alone most of the time. Nony might agree.

On October 22 2009 18:32 Itachii wrote:
Is sc4all safe now?

On October 22 2009 20:23 XsebT wrote:

Like life ends when you hit 20 X_X.
Ret is young both physically and metally. I do not think he age is affecting his abilities. What say you, grandpa toss?

On October 23 2009 00:55 dangots0ul wrote:


Actually there is scientific data showing your reaction speed drops once you pass the age of 18.

Also your fingers start slowing down as well

On October 23 2009 00:55 dangots0ul wrote:


Actually there is scientific data showing your reaction speed drops once you pass the age of 18.

Also your fingers start slowing down as well

On October 23 2009 00:55 dangots0ul wrote:


Actually there is scientific data showing your reaction speed drops once you pass the age of 18.

Also your fingers start slowing down as well

On October 23 2009 00:13 Lumi wrote:


IdrA mentioned the loneliness / isolation once in an interview on fnatic that was around about two months ago - he more-or-less said that he felt it but that he also enjoyed the reality of him being different or unique in these ways (Correct me if I'm wrong IdrA)

On October 23 2009 03:12 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I'm coming ret! Fear not, ssoon you won't be alone

On October 23 2009 03:32 XsebT wrote:

Bring alcohol...

On October 23 2009 04:00 Foucault wrote:


why, is it illegal in Korea?

I'm kind of curious about Ret going to S.Korea so late, considering SC2 is out soon. Then again it's pretty cool and I hope he does good but his mechanics are gonna get a total makeover I'm sure.

On October 23 2009 00:59 mOnion wrote:


OMG SCIENTIFIC DATA? that's the best kind of data!!!

-_- link to the study? oh wait, there isnt one. even if there was, it'd just be a theory. there are too many variables

On October 23 2009 04:31 tonight wrote:
Video loads so so so slow

On October 23 2009 04:31 tonight wrote:
Video loads so so so slow

On October 23 2009 04:59 never_toss wrote:
There should be a foreign team competing in Korea...

One organized by Artosis.. with top foreign players talking and learning side by side... and competing on proleague

On October 23 2009 05:02 mOnion wrote:


um

wouldnt that make it a Pro Team?

On October 23 2009 04:21 Bosu wrote:



There has been at least one study. I watched it on youtube. It wasn't saying that reaction speeds decrease with age. The documentary concluded that peoples brains lose the ability to learn and do tasks basically without even thinking about doing them. Sorta like how an older person finds it more difficult to pick up a language than a toddler. Something in their brain just doesn't function as it used to.

On October 23 2009 05:21 selboN wrote:

LOLOLOL

On October 23 2009 06:08 BanZu wrote:

So once any truth reaches YouTube it's not trustworthy?

Riiiiiiiiight...

On October 23 2009 06:29 keV. wrote:


If it was on youtube, best case it was a documentary... which means that it has an agenda, however subtle.

If people want to show proof, lets see some legitimate research. Not to say that nothing is true on youtube, just that you shouldn't site it as a source.

On October 23 2009 06:37 selboN wrote:

Hey look, this guy gets the idea! When you cite your source as being "I saw it on youtube", you lose credibility. Best way to state this is: "The study was conducted by ___ or can be found ____ it was published on youtube if you want to see". The idea is, youtube should not be your primary source. Though I'm sure you've learned lots on youtube BanZu, right.......?

On October 23 2009 00:55 dangots0ul wrote:


Actually there is scientific data showing your reaction speed drops once you pass the age of 18.

Also your fingers start slowing down as well

On October 23 2009 06:29 keV. wrote:


If it was on youtube, best case it was a documentary... which means that it has an agenda, however subtle.

On October 23 2009 08:51 InDaHouse wrote:
Why does that URL looks so suspicious? Smells bad ActiveX code

On October 23 2009 14:05 MakkurtE wrote:
While it's true that the brain becomes less plastic with age, to suggest that this would have any noticeable affect on a gamer from when they're 19 to when they're 29 is shaky shaky ground.

It's social factors, not physical/mental that keep the progamer pool so young

On October 23 2009 04:59 never_toss wrote:
There should be a foreign team competing in Korea...

One organized by Artosis.. with top foreign players talking and learning side by side... and competing on proleague

On October 23 2009 17:17 iRRelevance wrote:



How awesome would that be??!! Thou alot of $$ would be necessary.

On October 23 2009 06:15 s.Q.uelched wrote:
Once you start owning some Koreans I'll send you some stroopwafels or whatever else you like/miss. =]

On October 23 2009 18:35 Ohjay wrote:


And I will send you a huge load of great german beer.

On October 23 2009 14:05 MakkurtE wrote:
As far as reaction times/age go, a simple google would have told you that reaction time "shortens from infancy into the late 20s, then increases slowly until the 50s and 60s, and then lengthens faster as the person gets into his 70s and beyond". Link w/ proper journal references

As far as the other point, of older people not picking up language etc as quickly as younger people. Firstly language is an incredibly special case, but i assume what the video was talking about was neuroplasticity.

While it's true that the brain becomes less plastic with age, to suggest that this would have any noticeable affect on a gamer from when they're 19 to when they're 29 is shaky shaky ground.

It's social factors, not physical/mental that keep the progamer pool so young

On October 23 2009 19:45 LuisMl8 wrote:
im impresed that ret have high apm and u see him playing calm, and artosis have same apm but
u see him much more quick

On October 27 2009 08:19 EscPlan9 wrote:
We should put together a donation pool to get Ret some South Korean "professional escorts" to help him with his loneliness.

Or just send him some "RET FIGHTING" type cards showing our support.