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AVATAR - My thoughts

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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-18 23:21:06
January 18 2010 23:12 GMT
#1
      AVATAR – my thoughts

After so many of my friends calling this ‘the best movie they’ve ever watched’ and ‘mindblowingly’ good, I felt I should spend the money needed to watch this one in the cinema. Normally, I would just download this off some torrent site, but then I wouldn’t get to experience the awesome special effects this movie has. The few bucks I imagined spending, quickly grew to way more than anticipated and when all expenses were covered, I realized I could’ve bought the DVD with money spent that night, for me and my sister to watch this movie: this James-Cameron-licensed-motion picture better deliver. Spoilers incoming by the way – but if you haven’t seen this movie, you won’t understand anything, ‘cause I’m not going through the plot like a slave.
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      'OMG SO GOOD' - 'ORLY'

      The Effects
Yes, they’re good, amazingly good. My god is this movie a pleasure to look at. The colors, the Na’vi, the explosions – I cannot put my finger on anything that in any way felt wrong or misplaced. It’s clear where the vast amount of the ginormous $500 mio. went – the special effects, and since 90% of the movie takes place among the Na’vi people, this part of the movie had better rock my socks off. And it did.
The effects are not exactly revolutionary though: I remember seeing similar stuff at the London Science Museum some five years back, but the magnitude and detail has probably never been seen before. All in all indescribably beautiful.
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      Yes it’s pretty – and this picture is a bad one actually
      6/6

      The Plot
This is where the movie really lacks depth: sure it might be pretty, but a movie isn’t really that good, unless there’s a kick-ass story to help digest the entire thing. And Avatar doesn’t have that story. In fact, Cameron apparently decided not to write a new script, when Disney had already done the entire thing for him: Avatar is hardly anything but Pocahontas painted with more expensive colors. This is really sad, considering how much money went into this thing. Still the story of Pocahontas’ is a classic and it’s not that bad watching it a second time, but it’s not original content. And it’s predictable. As hell. After the first 30 minutes you know how’s going to end, and the only thing I was wondering about in the end, was whether Jake would die near the end. (He didn’t)
Another complaint of mine is the duration: some movies warrant 150+ minutes, but in my humble opinion Avatar did not. Too much filler content and too much showing off with the special effects. In the hands of a good editor this movie would’ve been 30 minutes shorter and more of an intense experience: I was bored near the end, due to plot predictability and too much random bullshit.
With all that said, most of the time you are entertained and the plot is not entirely horrible. It’s just not good enough for a $500 mio. dollar movie
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      It’s that obvious – poor job, Cameron, poor job
       2/6

      The Characters
Oh god. Nothing brought my piss to a boil more than the empty human/Na’vi shells that we’re supposed to care for during this nearly 3 hour movie. I honestly didn’t care when so many of the bi-characters died near the end: I knew jack-shit about them, they were so horribly underdeveloped. Most Sci-Fi movies solve this by having an opening scene involving the main character/someone else important and said persons family, so when said person is in trouble we care about said person. In Avatar we know that Jack Sully has a dead brother… and that’s about it. Poor fucking job. Had 10 minutes of this movie been dedicated to some actual character development, this movie would’ve improved dramatically.
Actually, Jack Sully is not the worst example of bad character development. He’s empty, but he’s consistently empty. Norm Spellman, Jacks Avatar-controlling partner, is so inconsistent it made me want to scream. At first he likes Jack and welcomes him aboard the team. The next moment he’s envious of Jack because he gets to date the tribe leader’s daughter as an Avatar (which, by the way, includes a love scene this movie could’ve been without). A few scenes later they’re the best of friends. What the fuck happened to warrant this behavior? Did he have a change of heart? Did the duke it out in a cut-out scene? I don’t know, but I sure as hell had a hard time categorizing their relationship.
There is only one character I really felt somewhat for in the movie, and that’s Neytiri, the tribe leader’s daughter: she has a family, a home to protect and shows love and compassion towards Sully. She loses her father, her lover and part of Na’vimity (humanity as a Na’vi – clever huh?) in a few moments and it’s one of the best moments in the movie. Unfortunately just as you get involved emotionally Sully comes in with a shitty line, and you’re back marveling at the view, but loathing the characters.
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      There: the characters, this picture says it all, ‘cause they are all empty’
      1/6

      The Cast
I don’t follow the acting scene much, but none of the actors really impressed me, and in fact I felt that some of them were miscast quite badly. Michelle Rodriguez does not deserve to be in a movie of this magnitude and I’m still wondering why she’s in it: she’s a bad actor, period. (also someone suggested to me that’s she’s in the movie to appeal to the male audience, but she’s not exactly hot. Megan Fox would’ve shut me right up, if that’s what you were going for) Sigourney Weaver was in Aliens and it’s hard not to compare her to her role as Ellen Ripley in an amazing movie, and for that reason I REALLY felt they should’ve found someone else. Giovanni Ribisi will always be Phoebes brother to me and can therefore NOT play the role as a corporate swine. I also felt he’s performance was overall pure, but that also stems mostly from a very poor overall scripted character: like Norm he’s so inconsistent.
Other actors did their part well: the voice actors for the Na’vi were overall very well chosen and really impressed me. Stephen Lang also did a good job with Miles Quaritch, but that guy is all muscle, no emotion, so how hard can it be. The rest of the cast did an OK job in my eyes, nothing extraordinary, but not painful to experience wither.
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      A mixed bunch, acting wise
      3/6

      Conclusion
This movie is worth a view, alone for the amazing special effects and 3D animation and for that alone it will go down in history (and the obscene amount of money it has made). But that’s it. The plot is lackluster, the characters poorly executed and the cast… meh, OK, I guess. I really expected quite a bit more out of this movie, but I was entertained throughout 99 % of the movie and that’s quite seldom for me. I will NOT be buying the DVD that’s for certain, since the movie would just be a bad sci-fi movie without the 3D glasses and a 40 foot screen. Go see it, it’s the most expensive movie ever made and the effects are good, but don’t watch it a second time.
      4/6
(a small four, but the special effects carry this movie)

Again, these are just my thoughts, and I mostly wanted to counter the people calling this ‘the movie of the decade’, since it’s really not that good. Compare to a house: from the outside it looks amazing and you are wondering how the hell it can look so good, but once you go inside you realize no real effort’s been made with regards to furniture and design. And the fundament is unstable, with some drain damage here and there.



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Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
January 18 2010 23:16 GMT
#2
Avatar is the geodesic dome of movies... a sign of what's to come. A harbinger of new technology that is able to bring new forms of entertainment.
C'est la vie...
MetalMarine
Profile Joined June 2007
United States1559 Posts
January 18 2010 23:22 GMT
#3
Just watch it high and enjoy the visuals.... Story? what story
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 18 2010 23:28 GMT
#4
On January 19 2010 08:22 MetalMarine wrote:
Just watch it high and enjoy the visuals.... Story? what story


That's basically my mindset. Forget the story and just let the effects amaze you.
TealLurker
Profile Joined June 2008
United States791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-18 23:53:59
January 18 2010 23:30 GMT
#5
On January 19 2010 08:28 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2010 08:22 MetalMarine wrote:
Just watch it high and enjoy the visuals.... Story? what story


That's basically my mindset. Forget the story and just let the effects amaze you.

Movies have to be more than just pretty. If this were the case, I may as well watch a tech demo.

As for TC, I agree with you entirely. There is no denying that this movie is visually stunning. Anybody that thinks otherwise is a moron. Sure, the plot is derivative and told time and time again. Personally, I don't care if the story was the same, but I don't feel that it was told well.

As for the characters, the only character that I felt had any sort of well thought out character development was Neytiri. As the movie went on, this was the only character that I tend to sympathize with. There were scenes where a certain character died via helicopter and I felt absolutely nothing for that character. I know James Cameron wanted me to feel something for that character at that moment, but it just wasn't there. It fell flat. It follows as such that the cast wasn't too great outside of Zoe Saldana who coincidentally did the only character that I thought was effective - Neytiri.

Avatar is clearly an event movie and can only be truly appreciated in the theater. With that being said, I don't think it warrants repeated viewings. It needed more than just awesome graphics. I didn't outright hate it, but it could've been better. It's just so-so.

In conclusion, it was a great writeup. And I'm glad to hear your points on this movie.
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
January 18 2010 23:31 GMT
#6
All I could think of the film at the end was how at first, the xel naga protoss without technilogy fought the terran with wraith, goliath, and marines because the terran was trying to expand for more mienrals. Then, the zerg ally, who was controlled by the overmind, who was actually controling the foolish protoss as well, went with mass mutas and ultralisks which pwnt the terran, all because the terran forgot to make medics and siege tanks.
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
January 18 2010 23:35 GMT
#7
Thanks for actually putting some effort into your thread compared to other Avatar threads floating around this site. I agree, the story and characters were pretty bad, but the visuals were excellent (and good enough to be worth the watch).

My conclusion is about the same as yours. It is worth the money to see it in imax, but I would definitely not watch it a second time, or buy the dvd.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 18 2010 23:36 GMT
#8
Yeap. Agree with you on all counts. Just don't post this in the Avatar thread. You'll have a horde of bleary-eyed fanboys screaming at you and posting text walls of why they're right.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 18 2010 23:40 GMT
#9
I agree about the characters, and I also think that as an action movie it was pretty tame, Sully is never in much danger until the colonel finds his real body.

I didn't care about the story though, so I'd give it about a 4/5 for the incredible cinematography and immersiveness. The review was well written and gets a 5/5.

I wouldn't buy the DVD or download it either. It needs to be seen in theaters for the full effect.
Thegilaboy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2018 Posts
January 18 2010 23:47 GMT
#10
Nice to see a well thought out review like this. I would have to agree with you on pretty much all accounts; the visuals are spectacular, and even more so in 3D, but the story certainly was lacking. Won't be buying this one, but should definitely be seen in theaters
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 18 2010 23:50 GMT
#11
Hadn't realised it was a pocahontas rip. Never seen that one you see. Well that changes my opinion of the movie somewhat.

Nice write up!
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JadeFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-18 23:53:28
January 18 2010 23:53 GMT
#12
Agreed 100%. The movie was so unbelievably predictable.

I remember when they killed off half the characters and I didn't care at all. Usually I care, but as you said, they were so underdeveloped and crappy I didn't even know them.

The movie even had a montage...I can always do without a montage. And explain to me how nobody else in all those years thought to just fly over that bigass dragon thing in order to tame it.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
January 19 2010 00:01 GMT
#13
On January 19 2010 08:31 WindCalibur wrote:
All I could think of the film at the end was how at first, the xel naga protoss without technilogy fought the terran with wraith, goliath, and marines because the terran was trying to expand for more mienrals. Then, the zerg ally, who was controlled by the overmind, who was actually controling the foolish protoss as well, went with mass mutas and ultralisks which pwnt the terran, all because the terran forgot to make medics and siege tanks.

Too much StarCraft?
Anyhow I loved your writeup and totaly agree with your conclusions. Altho I knew even from previews of the movie itself this ain't gonna be some story oriented movie you still manage to support some great facts about this movie which most ppl in their threads/blogs fail to do so.
Forever Vulture.. :(
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
January 19 2010 00:07 GMT
#14
- 4/6 is pretty harsh given the 3xperience u get for the $ u pay

"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
January 19 2010 00:14 GMT
#15
On January 19 2010 09:07 Physician wrote:
- 4/6 is pretty harsh given the 3xperience u get for the $ u pay


If you consider $ spent making it versus quality (subjective) it's probably not that good a ratio... I thought it was a great movie, fun to watch, but make no mistake, this isn't "the lives of others" or "pan's labyrinth" (either of which I would accept as movie of the decade btw). And those took a fraction of the cost to produce.

It was fun, I'd watch it again (in the cinema not on DVD... blu-ray maybe).
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zergpower123
Profile Joined December 2009
United States197 Posts
January 19 2010 00:14 GMT
#16
I really enjoyed this movie. I can't wait for the sequel
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 19 2010 00:16 GMT
#17
On January 19 2010 09:07 Physician wrote:
- 4/6 is pretty harsh given the 3xperience u get for the $ u pay


This.
Given it's a film for all ages it's pretty sensational. I've never seen a film so immersive and stunning. In 3 hours we are introduced to an entirely new world and the whole environment is believable. The plot suffices with just enough suspense to keep you immersed.
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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
January 19 2010 00:20 GMT
#18
On January 19 2010 09:14 zergpower123 wrote:
I really enjoyed this movie. I can't wait for the sequel


Oh dear God no.
Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
sassy
Profile Joined December 2009
240 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-19 01:23:26
January 19 2010 01:04 GMT
#19
i can deconstruct every point youve made up until now in less then 30 minutes. But it makes no sense whatsoever

1. Everything you "came up" with( half the stuff ripped out of official avatar thread but for some reason posted here) was already crushed and proven wrong or irrelevant at that

2. Deconstructing a pile of steaming shit is senseless


On January 19 2010 09:20 Hans-Titan wrote:
Oh dear God no.


This kind of sums it up for me. Arguing with you is like pissing against the wind.

Whats also hilarious is that 90% of attention whores that called avatar boring( or made separate blogs for just that) come from either scandinavia, germany or canada. You can sit outside all day watching paint dry( snow melt) and it would still be an exhilarating experience for your imagination. Learn to appreciate.
Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
January 19 2010 01:19 GMT
#20
You forgot one of the major aspects of the movie. Music!

The music in this movie is just plain beautiful. I could watch this movie a thousand times just for the environment and music.
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
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