• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:55
CET 12:55
KST 20:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)1Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win2RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14
StarCraft 2
General
When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket
Tourneys
[Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
Which season is the best in ASL? Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft 2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together?
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2140 users

Proplayers wanna be

Blogs > DW-Unrec
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
March 09 2012 08:16 GMT
#1
I can easily say that the majority of the SC2 community wants to be a pro-gamer or just wants to improve. I don't see a problem with that, specially because that's what makes the game grow faster than a casual game (LoL/HoN and DotA if icefrog decides to balance game based on pubs).

I'm just gonna make a pros/cons chart to show my point. I love charts.

So what are the Pros of having a community that is a "Pro gamer wanna be"?

-Streamers and Day9 gets money
-Shoutcasts (aka official tournaments) gets lots of watchers. Just like football
-Game grows faster

Cons:

-Kids will try to be a pro gamer instead of doing something useful in life. They will waste 2 years of their lives trying to play SC2 as a job.
-The above is controversial, at the same time idra makes his living off of kids watching his stream, people can compete in SC2 as a hobbie, just like chess players do.


The problem is, you can't get the best of the game unless you are really really good. I'm just gonna say it: I hate starcraft 2, I don't like the engine. Graphics, units are too fancy for me. I play it because of the always competing community. What concerns me is that maybe sometime the game will die. The kids will realize that they wanting to play sc2 as a job was just an illusion, then they will stop watching streams (which you cannot watch for fun. Quality is shit, and it gets boring, you cant watch it like it was a movie).

TL;DL + Sum up

The message I want to pass to you guys is that at some point the streams and the daily will die. If you want SC2 to be seen as an sport, to be watched on TV, you gotta support MLG. The casters, the high level gaming and the quality (not just the video resolution, but the production) is what will keep the game alive. Once the pro-players wanna be give up, diamond and bronze leagues will vanish. Those will instead watch high level games on TV/Barcrafts, and the players that really want to compete will be all masters-grand masters.

*
NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
March 09 2012 08:21 GMT
#2
I'm not seeing the chart good sir.
http://www.twitch.tv/noctemsc <--Most epic fun times
DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
March 09 2012 09:06 GMT
#3
I mean table

Damn you language barrier
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
March 09 2012 09:27 GMT
#4
What? Yes.. majority of people want to be progamers... or improve.

Sorry, Idra doesn't make his living off of streaming.

And what makes you think all the viewers of streams want to be progamers/be better? There are a lot of casual players and people who don't even play SC that watch SCII.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
March 09 2012 10:48 GMT
#5
Is that really true?

Yes, a lot of the community is focused on improving. That's the nature of strategy games... you see the same thing in chess, for example. Doesn't mean that we all want to become progamers.
Durso
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States51 Posts
March 09 2012 11:29 GMT
#6
this is so wrong I really dont even know where to start.....I watch streams just to watch them for entertainment and tourneys.... do you really think people could make money off of this game if nobody likes to watch the games???
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 09 2012 11:33 GMT
#7
You base this on what?
WriterXiao8~~
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
March 09 2012 11:58 GMT
#8
On March 09 2012 20:33 Kipsate wrote:
You base this on what?


I concur, you name consequences that you will believe will happen but base it on nothing other than your personal feelings/beliefs/nostalgiagoggles/whatever.
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
March 09 2012 12:01 GMT
#9
Speaking about the cons you mentioned:
You better already have a job, and only if you have sucess in winning tournaments in sc2, then switch to pro and quit your job. In other words, trying to be a pro should be an optional alternative and not your main job as long as you're not really high level already.
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
March 09 2012 16:24 GMT
#10
There have always been people thinking they're going to be the next "professional" at anything, be it sports, business, or celebrity. There is absolutely no harm in people spending reasonable amounts of time dedicated to improving at something they enjoy, but deluding yourself into spending excess time doing ANYTHING is harmful. It just happens that some people choose to ignore reality via Starcraft.

Side note, am I the only one who doesn't want esports to become mainstream? Everything that is hugely popular is that way because the vast majority of people want cheap, mindless entertainment. People seem all too willing to concede the difficult/interesting/complicated aspects of the game we love just to gain a measure of social approval. Love what you love and ignore people who think you're strange or weird; don't bastardize your passion to impress them.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 09 2012 17:29 GMT
#11
clearly you were not around for bw
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
March 11 2012 02:19 GMT
#12
On March 10 2012 02:29 Divinek wrote:
clearly you were not around for bw


I wasn't. But I belive there were no "bronze" players trying to be professional gamers.
DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
March 16 2012 00:57 GMT
#13
Ha, check this out. This guy is forcing himself to play SC2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317052

Proofs my theory that SC2 has a lot of pro-players wannabe.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 04:17:07
March 16 2012 04:16 GMT
#14
On March 16 2012 09:57 DW-Unrec wrote:
Ha, check this out. This guy is forcing himself to play SC2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317052

Proofs my theory that SC2 has a lot of pro-players wannabe.


Yes. That one thread proves there are a ton of pro-player wannabe's like lol who cares anyway?
When I think of something else, something will go here
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
March 16 2012 07:33 GMT
#15
Day[9] Daily will never die, burn the heretic!
En Taro Violet
LunaSea
Profile Joined October 2011
Luxembourg369 Posts
March 16 2012 08:13 GMT
#16
And one more MLG fanboy out there that wants to convince people that eSports will die if they don't buy MLG PPV ...
There are probably a lot of people that want to compete but that doesn't mean that everyone will sacrifice 2 years of their lives to become a pro player. Maybe 1% of the cummunity will and those are people that are probably already in high Masters league.
Even if that were true, I don't see the link between "the supposed problem" of every community member becoming a pro and MLG ...
If you think that every player in Bronze that posts a two liner on Team Liquid about becomming a pro will quit school for 2 years because he wants to become a pro, I think you're clearly naïve.
"Your f*cking wrong, but I respect your opinion" --Day[9]
TORTOISE
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
March 16 2012 18:37 GMT
#17
The problem with your initial assumption is that you cannot know for a fact that the majority of the SC2 community "wants to be a progamer" or "just wants to improve".

You just seem to be projecting your own opinion onto that of the "SC2 community". I might believe your claims if you had data or this alleged "chart" that you speak of.
◕ ‿‿ ◕ ๑•́ ₃ •̀๑ ( ͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡°)
coffecup
Profile Joined January 2012
50 Posts
March 16 2012 18:58 GMT
#18
OP's reasoning has too may flaws. A majority of SC2 community wants to be pro-gamers? If someone doesn't become a progamer he will stop watching streams? If you want to support esports the only way is to support MLG?

"I can easily say" is the beginning of most failing arguments. You've gotta support your conclusions.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 16 2012 19:09 GMT
#19
One of the glaring flaws in your logic and using random threads to "prove" your point is that of course the manics are the ones voicing their dreams of becoming a "progamer." You hardly see anyone (there are a few examples) posting "hey, I'm not trying to be a progamer! I don't want to be one at all, isn't that exciting?!" not because there are none but because there's no reason to.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
March 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#20
We get it OP, you don't like streams.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #61
CranKy Ducklings222
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech59
Rex 54
MindelVK 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3359
Horang2 2324
Flash 703
Hyuk 617
Barracks 504
Shuttle 400
Mini 280
Stork 270
BeSt 263
Soma 259
[ Show more ]
soO 217
Backho 216
Light 193
Last 179
Snow 154
Hyun 150
Rush 129
ZerO 125
ggaemo 104
Pusan 84
hero 68
ToSsGirL 54
NotJumperer 53
Mind 48
Icarus 25
sorry 20
zelot 15
Terrorterran 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Noble 10
SilentControl 9
Hm[arnc] 8
Dota 2
singsing2255
XcaliburYe133
League of Legends
Reynor0
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1548
x6flipin564
oskar31
Other Games
B2W.Neo1136
Fuzer 289
crisheroes249
QueenE37
Trikslyr15
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream217
StarCraft 2
WardiTV63
Other Games
BasetradeTV51
StarCraft 2
angryscii 1
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH194
• Adnapsc2 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 6796
• lizZardDota263
League of Legends
• Jankos2144
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
5m
OSC
1h 5m
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
12h 5m
The PondCast
22h 5m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
OSC
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

SOOP Univ League 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.