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Worst ZvZ build ever.

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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-28 23:23:12
June 28 2009 22:56 GMT
#1
So it's been one of those magical days on ICCup where scourge are nailing every Corsair, my Mutalisk harass is tight and powerful, and I'm always scouting right.

Then, of course, is that I've been landing some hilarious opponents, such as this one. It's a ZvZ which I've uploaded to RepDepot which I recommend you watch (~6 minute game) if you don't the contents of the spoiler tag.

http://repdepot.net/download.php?type=rep&id=15680&name=The_Weird_One vs specialcamel.rep

The build which made my day:
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Bastardized overpool (I guess???) without lings into 1 base hydralisk


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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 28 2009 23:00 GMT
#2
... so the whole point of this post is to make fun of someone trying to learn Starcraft?

O.o
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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
June 28 2009 23:01 GMT
#3
On June 29 2009 08:00 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
... so the whole point of this post is to make fun of someone trying to learn Starcraft?

O.o


Not quite. I think the guy was screwing around.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 28 2009 23:04 GMT
#4
Hmmm... Zergs at low levels on iCCup tend to have a tonne of problems. In all matchups with Zerg, I tend to be very strong on iCCup. TvZ PvZ and ZvZ all very easy for me even though I'm not a very good player. I think that Zerg's larvae system throws a lot of players off and unit composition has changed so many times in the past year that low level players don't know what they're supposed to be getting against what.
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
June 28 2009 23:12 GMT
#5
zvz and tvt are hard to learn. but i think newbies can cope with pvp pretty well.
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IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
June 28 2009 23:24 GMT
#6
On June 29 2009 08:12 ilovejonn wrote:
zvz and tvt are hard to learn. but i think newbies can cope with pvp pretty well.

Newbies can cope with toss period. Pls note: Not tryin to start a flame war just expressing my thoughts.
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Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
June 28 2009 23:32 GMT
#7
zvz is not hard to learn, it would take a day to understand it fully. Its just that no1 wants/likes to play it.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7229 Posts
June 28 2009 23:36 GMT
#8
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.
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inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
June 28 2009 23:39 GMT
#9
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


I saw a terran lift his CC and kill all his SCV's..

He was an obs though so it was actually a pretty appropriate approach.
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
June 28 2009 23:48 GMT
#10
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


On a pub once I was an idiot and put down a creep colony first.

Yeah, I suck...
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
June 29 2009 00:03 GMT
#11
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.

This makes me wonder:
Two situations:
1.
Your opponent has nothing left, and you have one drone, and nothing as well. You morph that drone into a creep colony, and stalemate.

2.
Your opponent nothing but four zerglings, en route to your base. You have 150 minerals and one drone, with only a hatchery left. If you morphed a creep -> sunken colony, stalemate!

Stalemates are fun .
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
June 29 2009 01:55 GMT
#12
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


Epic build.
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Abstruse
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States32 Posts
June 29 2009 01:57 GMT
#13
On June 29 2009 10:55 foeffa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


Epic build.


agreed, should be named TheZerg build, after the success of it's creator.
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 02:01:35
June 29 2009 01:59 GMT
#14
On June 29 2009 08:12 ilovejonn wrote:
zvz and tvt are hard to learn. but i think newbies can cope with pvp pretty well.

I really, really disagree with that. Newbies get countered so easily in PvP because they don't understand how to play the MU.

I also don't think that TvT is hard to learn, but that's just me.

On June 29 2009 10:57 Abstruse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2009 10:55 foeffa wrote:
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


Epic build.


agreed, should be named TheZerg build, after the success of it's creator.

That's pretty uncalled for lmao
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 07:00:22
June 29 2009 06:58 GMT
#15
On June 29 2009 08:36 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If the game lasted 6m it's not the worst ZvZ build ever. I've played pub games where the opp zerg went 4 pool 3 gas 2 evo 1 creep, leaving him with no workers.


Gold

On June 29 2009 08:32 Entertaining wrote:
zvz is not hard to learn, it would take a day to understand it fully. Its just that no1 wants/likes to play it.


There are lots of people who play ZvZ, take a look at the first player on ICCUP for example, around 2/3 of his games are ZvZ
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
June 30 2009 08:20 GMT
#16
that's worse than when my friend 4pooled me and scouted with a drone so he could only make 4 lings instead of 6 because his economy couldn't support it
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
GeMicles
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 17 2010 04:00 GMT
#17
when i play ZvZ and im feeling a bit overzealous, i like to go the 2 pool, where you send your first 3 drones to harass and leave one to mine while building another drone. I've found that this counters 4-6 pools very effectively but fails hard against hero scv's
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