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Makiva
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
88 Posts
June 17 2009 02:08 GMT
#1
Right now, I’m in the market to buy a new laptop. However, I’m going to work in an underdeveloped country for a long time, and I need a new laptop to type out articles while I’m there. From what I hear, the place I’m staying is pretty dusty and muggy.

With that in mind, I narrowed my choice down to two very respectable laptops:

1. The Lenovo T500 (formerly the IBM Thinkpad) 15.4 inch
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4565

2. The Macbook Pro 13 inch
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs-13inch.html

I’m primarily focused on the build quality and durability over specs (though I’m looking to spend approximately $1000 dollars, so I would imagine the 800$ Thinkpad would be more robust internally than the Mac after upgrades).

If you have any firsthand experience with either laptops (or are really knowledgeable about the models), please give me your opinion of which laptop I should choose. Remember, I'm looking for build quality, reliability, and sturdiness over all else. Scratching is expected, and I'm not one to sob over a scuffed chrome lid of a macbook or dinged lenovo - just as long as it won't die out on me under extreme conditions.

Additionally, if you were a PC maniac who recently converted to the apple OS, tell me your story too; is it more reliable, easier, intuitive?

Thanks once again

T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
June 17 2009 02:20 GMT
#2
Thinkpads are known for their reliability and durability. You can't go wrong with the Thinkpad. Don't buy a Apple, it's overpriced and it's not anymore reliable than a cheap laptop.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/apple_reliability_more_better_than_worse
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
artofmagic
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
United States1951 Posts
June 17 2009 02:22 GMT
#3
I'm about to switch to a macbook really soon. The unibody and the aluminum will definitely gives a great durability to the book. However I believe you should opt for Lenovo. There laptop is so damn durable. I got one for work(I'm an ex-ibmer) I treat it like trash and it still look the same as original.

I never own a macbook, but I can't imagine to abuse one
evolve or die
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
June 17 2009 02:32 GMT
#4
There's always rugged: http://www.ruggednotebooks.com/products/fully-rugged.php
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
June 17 2009 02:35 GMT
#5
Why not get a toughbook? One of the rugged or semi-rugged models of laptops would suit you well if you're going to to be in a third world country and performance is an issue.
U Gotta Skate.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 02:53:46
June 17 2009 02:51 GMT
#6
I've owned a white macbook for about three months prior to buying the thinkpad x61t that I use now.

Thinkpads are indeed known for their durability, and their keyboards are the best as far as laptops go. They won't be as durable as those rugged laptops of course.

Anyway I've used Mac OS X for 3 months and it was terrible experience. A friend of mine made a list of the "flaws" in the OS including inability to cut files (ctrl+x), inability to create a new text file from right click menu, very slow for Microsoft word, Finder (absolutely terrible compared to windows explorer), and more. The only reason I would use Mac is for TextMate. Read this: http://www.xflaws.com/2009/01/mac-os-x-is-not-user-friendly-these_27.html

Make sure if you do get a 15", get WSXGA+ (1650x1080).
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 17 2009 02:53 GMT
#7
On June 17 2009 11:35 ghermination wrote:
Why not get a toughbook? One of the rugged or semi-rugged models of laptops would suit you well if you're going to to be in a third world country and performance is an issue.


Well, because a Panasonic toughbook cost $5000 and up. Apart from the rugged shell, there is not much going for it.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 17 2009 02:57 GMT
#8
On June 17 2009 11:51 Kentor wrote:
I've owned a white macbook for about three months prior to buying the thinkpad x61t that I use now.

Thinkpads are indeed known for their durability, and their keyboards are the best as far as laptops go. They won't be as durable as those rugged laptops of course.

Anyway I've used Mac OS X for 3 months and it was terrible experience. A friend of mine made a list of the "flaws" in the OS including inability to cut files (ctrl+x), inability to create a new text file from right click menu, very slow for Microsoft word, Finder (absolutely terrible compared to windows explorer), and more. The only reason I would use Mac is for TextMate. Read this: http://www.xflaws.com/2009/01/mac-os-x-is-not-user-friendly-these_27.html

Make sure if you do get a 15", get WSXGA+ (1650x1080).


The flaws you listed are easily fixable but you need to know a bit about scripting. Finder is awesome! common, you get coverflow in a file manager; what more do you want!

There is no need to get a WSXGA+ screen. Just remember, better screen, crap battery life.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 03:16:17
June 17 2009 02:59 GMT
#9
i recommend you get the new t400 from lenovo. much slimmer chasis with SSD option if you want it.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/lenovos-thinkpad-t400s-in-the-wild-still-waiting-on-an-officia/

T500 is very rugged but also very fat. I wouldn't buy a T series that is as fat as a R series.

FYI, macbook's glossy screen is crap. It's like a freaking mirror in a bright room.
Rillanon.au
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 03:24:17
June 17 2009 03:20 GMT
#10
On June 17 2009 11:57 haduken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2009 11:51 Kentor wrote:
I've owned a white macbook for about three months prior to buying the thinkpad x61t that I use now.

Thinkpads are indeed known for their durability, and their keyboards are the best as far as laptops go. They won't be as durable as those rugged laptops of course.

Anyway I've used Mac OS X for 3 months and it was terrible experience. A friend of mine made a list of the "flaws" in the OS including inability to cut files (ctrl+x), inability to create a new text file from right click menu, very slow for Microsoft word, Finder (absolutely terrible compared to windows explorer), and more. The only reason I would use Mac is for TextMate. Read this: http://www.xflaws.com/2009/01/mac-os-x-is-not-user-friendly-these_27.html

Make sure if you do get a 15", get WSXGA+ (1650x1080).


The flaws you listed are easily fixable but you need to know a bit about scripting. Finder is awesome! common, you get coverflow in a file manager; what more do you want!

There is no need to get a WSXGA+ screen. Just remember, better screen, crap battery life.

you're not funny at all

definitely get a matte screen (anti-glare) not glossy (vibrant view). also the t400s is coming out which is thinner and lighter...
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
June 17 2009 03:30 GMT
#11
Definately get a WSXGA+ screen. You get so much extra space to do work. I use my WSXGA+ screen to watch 2 streams at once.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 17 2009 03:34 GMT
#12
On June 17 2009 12:20 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2009 11:57 haduken wrote:
On June 17 2009 11:51 Kentor wrote:
I've owned a white macbook for about three months prior to buying the thinkpad x61t that I use now.

Thinkpads are indeed known for their durability, and their keyboards are the best as far as laptops go. They won't be as durable as those rugged laptops of course.

Anyway I've used Mac OS X for 3 months and it was terrible experience. A friend of mine made a list of the "flaws" in the OS including inability to cut files (ctrl+x), inability to create a new text file from right click menu, very slow for Microsoft word, Finder (absolutely terrible compared to windows explorer), and more. The only reason I would use Mac is for TextMate. Read this: http://www.xflaws.com/2009/01/mac-os-x-is-not-user-friendly-these_27.html

Make sure if you do get a 15", get WSXGA+ (1650x1080).


The flaws you listed are easily fixable but you need to know a bit about scripting. Finder is awesome! common, you get coverflow in a file manager; what more do you want!

There is no need to get a WSXGA+ screen. Just remember, better screen, crap battery life.

you're not funny at all

definitely get a matte screen (anti-glare) not glossy (vibrant view). also the t400s is coming out which is thinner and lighter...


? I wasn't being funny.
Rillanon.au
eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
June 17 2009 03:41 GMT
#13
Even though I've been a Mac user for my entire life, I would advise you to get that PC. You specifically mentioned abusive treatment and I don't think abusing a Mac (even in a Unibody shell) is a good idea.

Mac OS X is awesome though. Won't go further than that because every time Mac vs PC threads come up they tend to start holy wars.
Never give cheese to the Gorilla ^^
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 17 2009 03:42 GMT
#14
Echoing the Lenovo sentiment.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
June 17 2009 03:45 GMT
#15
I totally agree about the matte screen. Mirror like screen is bad enough in a lit room. If you are out in the sun - D:
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 17 2009 04:10 GMT
#16
I'm on a thinkpad right now and I've used macs extensively in the past.

Cost-wise, you can get a thinkpad with similar specs for around 2/3 of the price of a mac if you catch a sale, which they have very often. Thinkpads are very durable, and you can use the laptop as a writing surface without a problem. That being said, macs are also very durable, I've witnessed many times people dropping their macs, but never witnessed any problems. I've also had a friend who dropped a macbook into a lake (long story), and it still works.

Macbooks are GREAT if you are a developer. You can practically see it as a very polished version of Ubuntu. The design is not as intuitive as they make it to be. Some things are definitely better, but some just seem to be different for the sake of being different. As well, the unibodies get quite hot, to a degree that'll probably have an impact on your balls.

Overall, both notebooks are great, if price is not a concern, I'd get a mac because it does look better; otherwise, get the IBM.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Makiva
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 04:29:28
June 17 2009 04:28 GMT
#17
Thanks for the advice so far - judging from what's been said, i'm about 70% set on the lenovo - great keyboard, matte screen, and familiar os interface seems like a good deal.

i'm going to post on an apple forum and see if i can get any veterans on that site to give me an unbiased opinion: if a few apple vets say to get a lenovo for my situation, then i'm set. thanks guys
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-17 04:38:50
June 17 2009 04:34 GMT
#18
uhhhh how can you get an unbiased opinion on a mac forum? teamliquid is pretty unbiased from what i've seen, during the right time at least...
Makiva
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
88 Posts
June 17 2009 04:43 GMT
#19
On June 17 2009 13:34 Kentor wrote:
uhhhh how can you get an unbiased opinion on a mac forum? teamliquid is pretty unbiased from what i've seen.


oh i know teamliquid is unbiased, and that's why i'm leaning strongly to lenovo right now - that being said, i wouldn't mind someone who fanatically knows the macbook pro's strengths inside and out to try to deter to me otherwise.

do i expect any replies in lenovo's favor? no.
but maybe i will hear it out of the horse's mouth that thinkpad is the way to go, and THAT would be the frosting on this delicious lenovo cake TL has baked.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 17 2009 04:46 GMT
#20


This deserves a re-post.
Rillanon.au
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