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Kennigit
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Chef
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Sometimes a thread gets closed while you were trying to post in it, but is it really that important that what you had to say must be shared with the world? I can pretty much get on with my life when a mod closes a topic (although I don't like it when they pull punches at the same time). | ||
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Kennigit
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MeriaDoKk
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But thats why I like teamliquid too, the quality posts make this site great and the community has so much to offer. | ||
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datscilly
United States529 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:28 Kennigit wrote: DeathSpank's posting quality is subpar. It is my job to judge that and determine he is decent enough to be given a chance. He has 500+ posts and no other bad history so he gets a warning. Pretty standard - infact we have a list of auto PMs to send to shitty posters (warez links, one liners, drop in quality etc). The one he posted was one of the set (LOL you think i have time to write that up for one kid!. I'm not really sure what you are talking about moderators afraid of and hiding stuff. We aren't really hiding from anything in our own home.... As or his blog i closed it because he is trying to be a martyr or something. I really don't need to justify this lol. If he was trying to be a martyr then why would you close the blog thread? Sure, people who didn't see it never will, but people who did will notice the squelching. You haven't directly addressed whether I am allowed to repost your (your, it is yours right? cue note about the lack of transparancy in the moderation of tl) PM. The worst it will do is might enrage people like me and get them thinking. I'm having second thoughts about whether I want to post it. The member in question truly has a bad record, and it could be embarrassing to have your words taken out of context. For example, the bit about being a zombie in context is really a reference to the auto PM the member in question sent. However, I think that I trust most people to look deeper into the context. Also there is no doubt the mass majority of people will see it the way you do, so it think it should be fine. | ||
Heyoka
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Framing this as some kind of free speech issue is the height of absurdity though | ||
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Dazed.
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Kennigit
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On June 07 2009 15:56 datscilly wrote: If he was trying to be a martyr then why would you close the blog thread? Sure, people who didn't see it never will, but people who did will notice the squelching. You haven't directly addressed whether I am allowed to repost your (your, it is yours right? cue note about the lack of transparancy in the moderation of tl) PM. The worst it will do is might enrage people like me and get them thinking. You are under the assumption that i or anyone else would care. When we send you a warning it's for your benefit not ours...what would i have hide? He can post the warning if he wants but his thread was useless. There's people trying to deliver quality content, not complain about a warning PM they got. It's really really not a big deal. | ||
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Kennigit
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=0 | ||
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FirstBorn
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On June 07 2009 16:07 Kennigit wrote: Also his thread is in the closed forum. You can go read it to your heart's content http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=0 I just read that. Perhaps I'm not entitled to judge as I got my share of warnings/bans myself but that thread was really low quality posting, even for a blog. | ||
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Mastermind
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Last Romantic
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So overall I feel some degree of censorship betters the overall quality of these fora. It's done well for us in the past - I see no reason why it must change in the future. | ||
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deathgod6
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On June 07 2009 15:37 Kennigit wrote: omninmo has about 10 warnings/bans for being sub par. hehe I got one warning from Chill when I posted about Klazart and Inc.  Most of the time, I try not to cross the line. Just use common sense. | ||
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datscilly
United States529 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:25 Kennigit wrote: Just some thoughts. What has always separated TL from other forums for me (even long before i got staffed) was a sense of identity. Strict moderation makes people think twice about what they are posting - that is an emotional and time investment. I can go on some random gaming blog and type "lol nice" thousands of times and no one has any idea who i am. I have invested nothing. I have no return. On TL once i hit a few hundred posts, have been through a couple heated discussions, i have invested time and interest not only into my posts but those around me. Maybe i argued with Idra about God. Maybe i made a thread about moderation standards. People see my name and based on my opinions and posts slowly start to get a character profile. Why would i want to fuck that up? What a waste of time that would have been if i had tried decently and then had it all down the toilet cause i was too stubborn to meet a very reasonable standard. I watch new posters like a hawk because its fascinating to see people slowly evolve from 12 post nobody into a big contributor. I remember Blizzcon last year when people started spamming WATERDRAGONGHOSTCLAW all over the place and i had no idea who this kid was. Today he's about to help launch one of the biggest features we've done this year. If he hadn't become emotionally invested do you think he would have bothered? The fact that you even made this blog shows that you care. As mods/admins our job is to be shepards - its to say "hey...thats not how we roll" and often thats all it takes to make a "lol check dis thread" into a decent contributor. Im not sure the stats on re-bans are - probably for some people all it takes is one 2 day ban to smarten them up. Other's that can't adapt are lost causes. I don't like to draw a distinction between staff and veterans. The reason vets are vets is because they have invested time and energy into meeting expectations - staff simply represent the group and provide guidelines for noobies to rise through the ranks. If someone invests a couple hours a day into browsing or posting, they shouldn't have that ruined by someone who can't be bothered to be decent. We have enough people who do care and that do want to be here - those that are complacent and couldn't give a fuck get washed out. On June 07 2009 16:20 Last Romantic wrote: We make no pretense of adhering to tenets of 'free speech'. Reasonable speech, definitely. But mensrea's precedent of moderation holds to a degree; he always liked to talk about how the now-defunct broodwar.com fell due to their extremely lax posting standards. The boys over at gg.net suffer from similar lawlessness. So overall I feel some degree of censorship betters the overall quality of these fora. It's done well for us in the past - I see no reason why it must change in the future. I truly appreciate your responses and insight, especially into the culture and attitude of tl moderating. The mods replying rather than ignoring has made this a worthwhile experience. | ||
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DeathSpank
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jodogohoo
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Osmoses
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Too much of anything is not good, and that includes freedom. | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On June 07 2009 16:34 jodogohoo wrote: freedom of speech doesn't mean you can be an idiot yes it does. That's exactly what it means. It means that if a nazi, terrorist, communist, redneck, ghetto gang banger, disabled person, random idiot etc... they have the right to speak their mind. | ||
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Kennigit
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On June 07 2009 16:34 DeathSpank wrote: raise your hand if you knew I was trolling the entire time. Good, now listen up the one liners were intentional. As were the rest of may "subpar" posts. I must admit I've been holding a grudge ever since I was in my mind unjustly banned for the first time. I made a joke in a thread that was immature and not thought out. However I was not given any chance to apologize or defend myself in any way for the next time I logged in I was banned. I proceeded to read about how everyone wanted to tear me a new one because I made a single tasteless joke and was shocked that I had caused such a lash back. However I could not amend my reputation or explain my innocence. I was pissed. However I still wanted to post in TL because I find it to be a high quality forum. So I continued, and over time I began to find myself challenging the rules. Such as one liners etc.. In part to prove that they don't destroy a forum and in a larger part to vent my annoyance and restlessness my grudge has caused me. Am I right in my actions? No, I acted childish and even ignorant of my own actions. Sorry. It's the internet. Get over it. Instead of acting like a angry nerd why not waste that time and energy on something worthwhile? We have 40,000 active members. Do you think people even notice who you are unless you make a point of getting noticed like this and get yourself banned? | ||
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DeathSpank
United States1029 Posts
On June 07 2009 16:43 Kennigit wrote: Sorry. It's the internet. Get over it. Instead of acting like a angry nerd why not waste that time and energy on something worthwhile? We have 40,000 active members. Do you think people even notice who you are unless you make a point of getting noticed like this and get yourself banned? exactly, that's my point. I'm not arguing with you. | ||
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