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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
May 21 2009 08:56 GMT
#1
god damn!
I've been playing with Leta's TvZ build a bit yesterday and now today a bit, and I must say I fucking love it.

Standard TvZ was always so exhausting for me, I didn't feel like having fun enough. It was a race who can do the same old shit a second faster without fucking everything up.

With Leta's Wraith build, and Fantasy's mech, I feel there's SOOO much more small decisions to make throughout the entire game, so many room for small improvisations that I'm fucking loving every second of the TvZs I play now.

Thank you iloveoov for starting all of this,
thank you fantasy for showing how it's done
thank you Leta for being a badass and doing what you do ~

Perhaps I just sucked at standard TvZ, but I never really was motivated enough to perfect my BO in millisecond just to stand a chance against Zergs of my ICC level.

I simply love the way TvZ feels when playing this build.

Now, the truth is I lost the majority of the games, but that can be attributed to the fact that I didn't really practice this build at all(i mean in single player like some ppl do).

I went straight to discovering the timings in games vs real opponents and the games were still fun.

I'm at C-/C level Terran and here's a couple of games if anyone is interested.
- RepDepot link to the list of games: http://repdepot.net/player.php?id=5669

- All reps in Zip file: http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdncan


The games are sorted by autoreplay saver, so the newer ones should be better.


I have motivation to play now, can't wait to get better at this build.

see you ~

*
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51682 Posts
May 21 2009 08:56 GMT
#2
try the hwasin BRFS build :D
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
May 21 2009 08:59 GMT
#3
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D


hhm what? factory on 9??
And all is illuminated.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
May 21 2009 09:11 GMT
#4
hiss
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
May 21 2009 09:15 GMT
#5
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D


Wasnt Mind the one to use that build? I think he used it in GOM season 1 didnt he?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
May 21 2009 09:54 GMT
#6
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D

What does that even stand for?
Barracks, Refinery, Factory, Starport? lol?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 21 2009 09:57 GMT
#7
On May 21 2009 18:54 SilverskY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D

What does that even stand for?
Barracks, Refinery, Factory, Starport? lol?

barracks refinery factory supply depot

Watch Hwasin vs Hyvaa, game 1 for bacchus osl
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Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
May 21 2009 10:07 GMT
#8
I watched beggerterran practice some cheese strat on Destination of Afreeca for a while since he had some clan war or something.

He would bunker rush backed up with vultures and then into two port wraiths if he had to.

He would sent like 3 SCVs with the bunker rush after 8 rax. So it was pretty hard to stop. And then when zerg would have the lings to kill the bunker he would have vultures out that would either make the bunker succesful or sneak around and kill all drones.

Only way to beat it with a 12 hatch was to outmicro the terran big time. He ended up winning like 15 practice games, losing like only 2 or so vs 9 pool, and then won the match in the clanwar.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
May 21 2009 10:20 GMT
#9
On May 21 2009 18:57 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 18:54 SilverskY wrote:
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D

What does that even stand for?
Barracks, Refinery, Factory, Starport? lol?

barracks refinery factory supply depot

Watch Hwasin vs Hyvaa, game 1 for bacchus osl

I don't remember ever seeing this build, but this sounds horribly obnoxious! And congrats on discovering a new play to play TvZ. Whenever I offrace as Terran, playing TvZ, I can't play it at ALL, so I think I'll give this build a try.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
May 21 2009 10:48 GMT
#10
Thank Baby also for showing how to semi-own someone with wraiths.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 21 2009 11:19 GMT
#11
On May 21 2009 19:20 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 18:57 konadora wrote:
On May 21 2009 18:54 SilverskY wrote:
On May 21 2009 17:56 GTR wrote:
try the hwasin BRFS build :D

What does that even stand for?
Barracks, Refinery, Factory, Starport? lol?

barracks refinery factory supply depot

Watch Hwasin vs Hyvaa, game 1 for bacchus osl

I don't remember ever seeing this build, but this sounds horribly obnoxious! And congrats on discovering a new play to play TvZ. Whenever I offrace as Terran, playing TvZ, I can't play it at ALL, so I think I'll give this build a try.

It's a low econ yet very effective build in terms of defense AND offense, as long as it's not scouted too early.
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EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
May 21 2009 11:43 GMT
#12
How soon does the first vulture get out in this build? Is it fast enough to beat a sunken at the natural?
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 21 2009 11:47 GMT
#13
On May 21 2009 20:43 EvoChamber wrote:
How soon does the first vulture get out in this build? Is it fast enough to beat a sunken at the natural?

From the game (hyvaa vs Hwasin), vulture was out when lings were done and creep colony wasn't even placed. That might be because Hyvaa went 3 hatch though...
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 21 2009 11:58 GMT
#14
id like leta more if he didnt knock out the obviously superior flash last starleague

these wounds, they will not heal
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
May 21 2009 12:03 GMT
#15
Just watched the game.

It's like a ranged 5pool.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
May 21 2009 12:04 GMT
#16
On May 21 2009 20:43 EvoChamber wrote:
How soon does the first vulture get out in this build? Is it fast enough to beat a sunken at the natural?

I think if you use scvs to block zerg from making a creep colony your vulture will arrive before his sunks are up which was shown in mind vs ggplay on neo requiem. The first time i saw this build was when hwasin used it vs jaedong on blue storm. He proxied a fact at 12 and lifted the fact into jaedong's main.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
May 21 2009 12:15 GMT
#17
On May 21 2009 20:58 Frits wrote:
id like leta more if he didnt knock out the obviously superior flash last starleague

these wounds, they will not heal

god its not so bad but he beat him but did you see how fucking HAPPY HE WAS after he bbsed on harmony?
cheesing a superior player, ok ya its smart especially when the stakes are that high.. but who the fuck could feel accomplished about that shit.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 20:46:36
May 21 2009 14:55 GMT
#18
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 21 2009 15:48 GMT
#19
On May 21 2009 21:15 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 20:58 Frits wrote:
id like leta more if he didnt knock out the obviously superior flash last starleague

these wounds, they will not heal

god its not so bad but he beat him but did you see how fucking HAPPY HE WAS after he bbsed on harmony?
cheesing a superior player, ok ya its smart especially when the stakes are that high.. but who the fuck could feel accomplished about that shit.

Flash himself would. He was very happy when he cheesed Bisu out of the MSL, remember? I mean, are you seriously blaming Leta for being happy about just having reached the Ro8 in a Starleague? I do not think Leta was thinking ''OMG, cheesing makes me so happy!''.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 21 2009 15:51 GMT
#20
Fucking 2port wraiths is the bane of my existence.
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