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TvZ Mech rantin'....

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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 19 2009 04:05 GMT
#1
I always loved terran because of 2 major reasons
1st. Not many people play it, so when one's good it really shines out.

2nd. TvZ's bionic mnm control/SKTerran is fucken art to perform and watch.......

However recently im getting really dissapointed because every TvZ i see or almost every TvZ from the pro scenes, all the players go mech. Its getting annoying to see them take that gas at 12 psi. I know SC is constantly evolving but however this is one area i hope that it doesn't develop any further.......

TvZ with bionic= Art form
TvZ with mech= another match up.

sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
May 19 2009 04:06 GMT
#2
i agree, this mech stuff is getting stale really quick
wraiths go pew pew
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 19 2009 04:07 GMT
#3
Mech has defiled the most beautiful matchup in the game. :<
Moderator。◕‿◕。
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 19 2009 04:07 GMT
#4
i mean the first few games i was like "Sweet TvZ innovation, mech going into style" now everyone is doing it SO much... its not good anymore.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
May 19 2009 04:08 GMT
#5
I agree that TvZ MnM can be incredibly intense, entertaining, while being very effective. MnM with multiple dropship play can really fuck up Zerg expos, 6~7 marines from 1 dropship can take out a hatchery very fast.

Its cost efficient but the only major downside is that bionic units require too much babysitting, you need to constantly stim and spread them and avoid lurker spines
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-19 04:12:06
May 19 2009 04:10 GMT
#6
I completely disagree, the reason why sc exists til this day is because of inventive strategies and styles always coming up and making it more fun to watch and to see how the races in each match up have to transition to a different style to counter the newer build orders, that being said not EVERY tvz in the proscene is mech, you probably haven't watched alot if you think every single game uses mech play.
You can't fight the feeling.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
May 19 2009 04:13 GMT
#7
starcraft hasn't evolved much but the maps have.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
May 19 2009 04:13 GMT
#8
Wait till new map pool I think.

Mech works so good on Destination because of the choke points where you can just cut off entry by siege and hold the ground to stop any advancement of opponent armies. Haven't seen it used real effectively on any other map though.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 19 2009 04:18 GMT
#9
On May 19 2009 13:10 lokiM wrote:
I completely disagree, the reason why sc exists til this day is because of inventive strategies and styles always coming up and making it more fun to watch and to see how the races in each match up have to transition to a different style to counter the newer build orders, that being said not EVERY tvz in the proscene is mech, you probably haven't watched alot if you think every single game uses mech play.


I've watched just about every TvZ in the past year and only in the recent map pool has mech been THAT big of a deal.

It's not innovation (Fantasy build isn't really mech...) it's just the map.

Mech TvZ sucks, boring to watch and makes me cringe when I see it.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
May 19 2009 04:19 GMT
#10
The low point of mech probably was Ruby vs Hoejja.
Jaedong
Gray[FH
Profile Joined January 2009
152 Posts
May 19 2009 04:20 GMT
#11
On May 19 2009 13:13 SCC-Faust wrote:
Wait till new map pool I think.

Mech works so good on Destination because of the choke points where you can just cut off entry by siege and hold the ground to stop any advancement of opponent armies. Haven't seen it used real effectively on any other map though.

yeah i think it usually depends on the map, i love watching tvz w/out the mech but its still interesting either way
<3
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 19 2009 04:22 GMT
#12
medusa seems like a perfect map for bionic, cuz of the giant middle that you can't build on, yet most still go mech...
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
May 19 2009 04:26 GMT
#13
On May 19 2009 13:22 YPang wrote:
medusa seems like a perfect map for bionic, cuz of the giant middle that you can't build on, yet most still go mech...

Neo Medusa
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 19 2009 04:37 GMT
#14
go.go said in his interview about his OSL group that mech is safer on the new maps. Wait until next season.

I agree, though...except I thought you were supposed to get gas at 10 or 11 depending on your depot timing?
Hello
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
May 19 2009 04:43 GMT
#15
meh, bionic is so much more fun than mech. I don't like using golis and tanks simply because of their shitty pathing.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
snorlax
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States755 Posts
May 19 2009 04:44 GMT
#16
I actually like both playing and watching mech not gonna lie, I also enjoy playing and watching bio however
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3356 Posts
May 19 2009 04:48 GMT
#17
On May 19 2009 13:19 Avidkeystamper wrote:
The low point of mech probably was Ruby vs Hoejja.

I cringe thinking about that game.
김택용 Fighting!
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
May 19 2009 05:11 GMT
#18
The solution is to go watch Leta's TvZ
not that I'm biased or anything
brood war for life, brood war forever
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
May 19 2009 05:24 GMT
#19
On May 19 2009 13:22 YPang wrote:
medusa seems like a perfect map for bionic, cuz of the giant middle that you can't build on, yet most still go mech...

pretty much what i said, you've been living under a rock. Neo Medusa you can build in center
You can't fight the feeling.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
May 19 2009 05:36 GMT
#20
yeah i hate mech. I think mnm just LOOKS awesome, also gameplay wise i think mnm is more viable unless you're on a terribly imbalanced map anyway (colloseum tvz, destination tvz, etc)
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