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Lipton vs Maynard - an old Starcraft Battle report

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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 17:00:40
April 22 2009 17:00 GMT
#1
[image loading]

^ Photo thx to Pillars Maynard on far left

So I use to be decent back in the day, anyways sorry for the missing screenshots, this battle report is, of course over 9-10 years old. So to set this up, Maynard imho was the best N.American Starcraft gamer who ever lived (and is still living I suppose).

Prologue- Lipton@ Vs Maynard crica 1999
Well this was way back when, in the Haven(Maven’s Haven on Kali) I was bored hoping someone would ask for a 1on1 or something, anyways Dudey was acting like Maynard’s Don King and challenging people to face off 1on1 vs Maynard with Dudey watching. I jumped at the chance and hosted up. I created on LT with 4 watchers since Dudey my good buddy Gozita-X17 and Phoenix all wanted to watch.

Note I included a more detailed after report for what should have been done what is good to do etc etc

[image loading]

Too bad these days I check CreditReports.com more often :/

Pre game warm-up:
Me at 6 oclock and Maynard at 9.

Choosing toss my most comfortable race for The Lost Temple, cause I like the Toss game on LT. Maynard randomed and got Zerg. I knew in my head from watching some of May’s games to expect mass Hydras.

What I was thinking then at the early stages of the game was to prepare for the hydras and then counter. This thinking was a bad move on my part; first off most good players will tell you that waiting to counter, defense early and holding back will get you killed or put you in slow death mode. All I was thinking was not to get taken out too quickly vs Maynard. I did not expand early and waited inside with some zealots on the ramp and rushed to put out 4 temps and also put down a few cannons on the ridge. (Remember peepz this was before the Bisu build or anything Pro Starcraft)


First Blood
Maynard came in with around 2-dozen hydras. I killed about half of them with losing very little and when the hydras retreated I moved in to take my natural and start producing goons. Below is a comment Maynard made, why I don't know?

After I started mining my expansion and proceeded to counter attack Maynard’s 3rd expansion, my horrible of scouting was another big mistake(didn’t find out how much he was expanding fast enough), but here is the shot of an ex-Zerg expansion.
[x]


Wanting to start pressuring Maynard again, I went on to his natural with temps and more troops this time. I don't know how but I was forced to retreat, I had 2 dozen troops Goons/Zealot mix with a couple of archons and 3 temps with storm vs a hand full of hydras and a ton of drones, but hey this is Maynard.
[x]


Actually they way the placed his buildings, the 2 sunkens on the top and the 20 plus Drones made a huge difference. The forced my Templars to ejaculate prematurely by baiting them with only a handful of Hydras on the top ridge, I killed the hydras on the top but the storm would have been best used on the drones. Why? Because of the massive amount of drones clogging around that hydra den completely closed off my zealots and Archons from getting to the like 6 hydras left. Wasted my chance to break through by microing my goons to hit the drones to kill them off, instead of just taking down the buildings in the way; which would have allowed my Zealots to get up the ramp and take out those Sunkens. In the end however I had killed most of his drones, 1 sunken and a few hydras but with the sunken he had left a fresh new hydras he beat me back. I remember also that during this battle I failed to queue troops in my gateways, a mistake I hardly ever make.


Mid Game
The game started to go further into midgame with me wondering what the hell is Maynard doing? I found another 1 of Maynard’s expansion to the right and right main base; there I get a F- for scouting again. Charged my full force up there to take it out while expanding again. Later Maynard would hit my newest expansion with dozens of hydras again before I had a chance to take out his expansion at the 3 o’clock main.

I think in the below screen shot, Dudey attempts to make a wise crack
[x]


I had been massing dozens and dozens of goons who were 2-2-2. They went up vs the hydras who looked equal in number in the end my dragoons were victorious, but at a great lost as my 3rd base was taken out and my natural has suffered extreme probe loses as well as my standing army. I quickly got a dozen more goons but then out of the darkness came the whole fury of the Maynard Swarm, they came they saw and they pwned ='(

I did not get all of the hydras in this screen shot but believe me there were tons 8(
[x]

End game report
What I should have done:
1. Not dung in like I did and been more aggressive and taken the fight to Maynard instead of letting him breath and build up and take the whole map 8(
2. Scouted like I usually do and not like a damn newbie ='( he took like every base on the map except for the islands(well was mining from like 4 or 5 of them and had a hatch sitting at the rest.
3. While I was mass gooing I should have made a few more temps along with them.
4. Pulled back when I could not have taken his natural and sat outside and massed right there.
5. Sent a zealot or probe to every spot.

What did Maynard do wrong?
Nothing

Originally posted:

Well hope you guys enjoyed this old school battle report, I've found myself checking out more older reports on BR.comStarfeeder: Lipton vs Maynard, Starcraft BR circa 1999

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minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
April 22 2009 17:10 GMT
#2
Wow reading this, I bet I came close to the feeling archeologists probably get sometimes

It was a nice read, thanks for sharing
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
April 22 2009 17:11 GMT
#3
I used the read some old battle repports over on blizzard's b.net site I think. I found them pretty entertaining about 4 years ago and I still find some of them pretty cool today. It's amazing how much has the game changed and evolved over the years.

Pretty cool stuff, thanks for sharing.
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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 17:17:11
April 22 2009 17:16 GMT
#4
Yeah np I just wish I had saved the screens or rep :/

I faintly remember some of the scenes from this match... but ya Maynard just seemed to be able to do so much so so little... I swear that one attack on his natural I talk about, he could not have had more then 10-12 Hydras(killed down to the 6 he retreated behind the den+drones), he must had more sunkens on the ridge. The Archons got stuck in the middle spinning around not hitting anything, Drones clogging up the holes, Zealots nullified, Goons nuliffied...

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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 22 2009 17:16 GMT
#5
i remember a site that went broodwar.? and it contained guides for protoss by xds-fire. One of the strats was 14 nexus pvz if I remember correctly and ever since reading that 10 years ago i liked 14 nexus.

one they it was like the only strat being done, that and forge - nexus
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 23:07:38
April 22 2009 17:19 GMT
#6
Hmm come to think of it, I don't remember if this was BW or vanilla SC... there were no Lurkers or DT's used in the game so, I'm thinking original SC.

EDIT: I was reading the comments on that old battlereport and this must have been a BW game
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 22 2009 17:27 GMT
#7
Nostalgia :D Thanks for this.
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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
April 22 2009 18:43 GMT
#8
i wonder what dudey is up to
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 19:03:00
April 22 2009 18:59 GMT
#9
On April 23 2009 03:43 LumberJack wrote:
i wonder what dudey is up to


he moved to latin america

then he moved back to america

now he's just kind of hangs out? i don't remember what his job is or anything like that, but he's a regular on another forum is visit

remember wdt? lololol. someone made a joke to him about it on the other forum and i tried to find it to show you but cannot :[

but that is as much as i know off the top of my head. he is still very much around.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 22 2009 19:05 GMT
#10
it's pretty cool to have something named after you in the game. "Maynard your workers" will probably be the term in sc2 aswell
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
April 22 2009 19:16 GMT
#11
On April 23 2009 04:05 Patriot.dlk wrote:
it's pretty cool to have something named after you in the game. "Maynard your workers" will probably be the term in sc2 aswell


i don't hear it as much as i used to which is a shame cause i always thought it was a neat phrase
:O
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
April 22 2009 20:29 GMT
#12
On April 23 2009 04:16 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 04:05 Patriot.dlk wrote:
it's pretty cool to have something named after you in the game. "Maynard your workers" will probably be the term in sc2 aswell


i don't hear it as much as i used to which is a shame cause i always thought it was a neat phrase

I use it all the time, but sadly not everyone gets it =\. Now it's just "transfer," with is 100x weaker.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
April 22 2009 20:58 GMT
#13
oldskool haha
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
April 22 2009 22:32 GMT
#14
Lost temple! :D

That's pretty damn old school.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 22 2009 22:48 GMT
#15
Where are all the screenshots?
All I'm seeing is:
[x]
where it looks like pictures should be. Anyone else getting that?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 23:03:28
April 22 2009 23:02 GMT
#16
On April 23 2009 07:48 Grobyc wrote:
Where are all the screenshots?
All I'm seeing is:
[x]
where it looks like pictures should be. Anyone else getting that?



I posted the original report on Battlereports.com the images where hosted on my clans website at the time.. alas they are all lost I just put the [x] to represent them...

The original BR.com report:
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreports.php?reportnum=1493
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 22 2009 23:45 GMT
#17
On April 23 2009 08:02 Lipton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 07:48 Grobyc wrote:
Where are all the screenshots?
All I'm seeing is:
[x]
where it looks like pictures should be. Anyone else getting that?



I posted the original report on Battlereports.com the images where hosted on my clans website at the time.. alas they are all lost I just put the [x] to represent them...

The original BR.com report:
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreports.php?reportnum=1493

Ah.. I see. Anyhow, interesting report, very old skool
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 23 2009 00:15 GMT
#18
yeah i always preferred "maynard" to "transfer workers"

its like licking history
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eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
April 23 2009 01:18 GMT
#19
I remember those days. They were alot of fun indeed. Lipton you belonged to the soda clan right? I think I also remember playing pibbs or pebbs or w/e his soda name was.
Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
April 23 2009 06:06 GMT
#20
Yeah Mr.Pibbs@ was my bro, we were in the old Soda Clan sniffs...
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Rei_Rice
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany82 Posts
April 23 2009 06:48 GMT
#21
Soda Clan was cool
http://www.ricegamers.com
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 23 2009 06:50 GMT
#22
lipton isnt a soda though, it's not carbonated =/
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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
April 23 2009 15:08 GMT
#23
Yea ran out of soda names, so the clan decided new members could use any drink name

Actually I liked Nestea@, but that was already taken
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 23 2009 22:15 GMT
#24
link for more oldstuff for any new members
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71352

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