Yeah from what i've read areound the difference between the 10k and 7.2k are not noticeable.

maybe if i was going to deal with massive amounts of data. but im not

also im not worried about my mobo being obsolete just, the mobo i was suggested is top of the line and way to expensive for me to want to spend money on that. i could cut half the cost on that and get a monitor.

errol1001

454 Posts

April 10 2009 20:22 GMT

#42

Whatever. A 60gb OCZ SSD drive would probably run around $170 and get you better performance than raiding raptors for your OS and applications. That difference is also going to be tremendously noticeable when you're doing most things. Won't matter for SC2 though.

StorrZerg

United States13919 Posts

April 10 2009 21:09 GMT

#43

On April 11 2009 05:22 errol1001 wrote:
Whatever. A 60gb OCZ SSD drive would probably run around $170 and get you better performance than raiding raptors for your OS and applications. That difference is also going to be tremendously noticeable when you're doing most things. Won't matter for SC2 though.

for mosts things. what are these things?

xmShake

United States1100 Posts

April 10 2009 21:13 GMT

#44

On April 11 2009 06:09 StorZerg wrote:

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for mosts things. what are these things?

They're solid state disks, aka hard drives that use flash memory instead of the magnetic disks of a normal hard drive. They're characterized by basically no random access time, high read rates, and microstuttering problems depending on the drive.

1 isnt going to net you greater performance than raiding a couple of raptors, but 2 30GB models will.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001550 40000636&Manufactory=1550&SubCategory=636&SpeTabStoreType=0

I recommend the vertex models if you're looking to buy them since they don't use the JMicron controllers.

I would also second Izzycraft's recommendation, but I would consider switching out the 275 for crossfire 4870 512's, and consider buying 2 caviar blacks so you can raid them.

GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

April 10 2009 21:42 GMT

#45

I like IzzyCraft's suggestion too.

The i7 may be overkill for SC2, but its a real step up from Core 2 Quad, and its the best thing you can do to future proof your computer imo.

As far as the above suggestion, I would go for a single high end Graphics Card. That way you can buy another hwen the price comes down and essential double your graphics processing power (where as if you go for two cards now, you'd have to buy two new cards to upgrade).

Hell, if you get this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188046, you could do three way SLI!

R3condite

Korea (South)1541 Posts

April 10 2009 21:42 GMT

#46

u r wasting a lot of money and at the same time using too lil

first off how much cache does the HD have that u r paying up 30 dollar extra than every1 else to buy it??

also get that 1000W PSU, andd keep 1TB HD (don't go any lower)

in my experience of making comps if u sell any component short because u think u can save a lil money and taht u will not need as much power u r dead wrong...

after finishing ur comp and running it u will not like it and eventually u will buy the original item in question... so might as well buy it now then buy some crappy 250GB HD and then buy 1TB one later...

EDIT: w/ the 1000W u can do some fun mods ^^

btw when u build this how long r u planning to keep it? 3? 4? 5? 6?? depending on the amount of time u think u will keep u should pull some stuff out or sink more money in

xmShake

United States1100 Posts

April 10 2009 23:29 GMT

#47

On April 11 2009 06:42 R3condite wrote:
u r wasting a lot of money and at the same time using too lil

first off how much cache does the HD have that u r paying up 30 dollar extra than every1 else to buy it??

also get that 1000W PSU, andd keep 1TB HD (don't go any lower)

in my experience of making comps if u sell any component short because u think u can save a lil money and taht u will not need as much power u r dead wrong...

after finishing ur comp and running it u will not like it and eventually u will buy the original item in question... so might as well buy it now then buy some crappy 250GB HD and then buy 1TB one later...

EDIT: w/ the 1000W u can do some fun mods ^^

btw when u build this how long r u planning to keep it? 3? 4? 5? 6?? depending on the amount of time u think u will keep u should pull some stuff out or sink more money in

Don't listen to this guy.
There's definitely more to hard drives than space...

If you don't need that much space, consider several small, high performance drives in raid for your apps, and a larger single drive for data storage.

1KW is definitely overkill unless you're doing heavy overclocking paired with crossfire/sli cards, and other shit.
Use this if you want a general idea of what size power supply to get.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Note that there are other factors besides wattage that go into making your decision on a power supply though.

haduken

Australia8267 Posts

April 11 2009 02:18 GMT

#48

On April 11 2009 04:56 StorZerg wrote:
Yeah from what i've read areound the difference between the 10k and 7.2k are not noticeable.

maybe if i was going to deal with massive amounts of data. but im not

also im not worried about my mobo being obsolete just, the mobo i was suggested is top of the line and way to expensive for me to want to spend money on that. i could cut half the cost on that and get a monitor.

The benefits of the 10k RPM is the better seek/write time.. not transfer speed (it will help i suppose).
The velociraptor is a great improve over the original raptors but yeah the real improvement of 10k is the better response / loading time for programs.

i personally use velociraptor and like it but what ever floats your boat i suppose.

I am not yet convinced that the cheaper SSD is best given the enormous amount problems witnessed.

-orb-

United States5770 Posts

April 11 2009 02:59 GMT

#49

Quick FYI: you really don't need a GTX280 for starcraft 2. GTX260 would be way less money and more than enough

Also, you really don't need 6gb of ram unless you're running 64bit, and the downsides of 64bit really aren't worth it unless you are running like 16gb or more of ram and you're doing ram-intensive work such as video editing.

KingofHearts

Japan562 Posts

April 11 2009 03:23 GMT

#50

250gb is not enough. go for 1 terabyte. u will not regret it. 800w to 1000w psu should be enough. dont go for dual graphic card coz they r so not worth it.

errol1001

454 Posts

April 11 2009 03:54 GMT

#51

If you go SSD, you have to dodge the ones that have been found to have problems. The OCZ ones don't have the problems, but are quite a bit worse performance wise than the Intel ones. But they also cost half as much.

What you get from it though is really fast loading. One note from the Anandtech review that may be a bit of an eye opener, was that on the SSD, they loaded a character into WoW from character select in 5 seconds, versus 12 seconds on a raptor ( I think my numbers are correct). And of course longer on a 7200 rpm drive. May or may not be of value to you.

errol1001

454 Posts

April 12 2009 07:29 GMT

#52

Radeon 4890 for $184 shipped:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/916871/

Really good deal. Recommend looking around places like fatwallet (ie the link above) to find such things.

Sirakor

Great Britain455 Posts

April 12 2009 10:30 GMT

#53

On April 09 2009 01:45 StorZerg wrote:
Hard Drive
Caviar Black 1tb 7200 RPM serial ATA 300 Hard Drive
130 thought this was a good deal as well, But I don't need all that storage space. Is it possible to raid a single hard drive? if not I'd try to get a few 250 gb hard drives and raid that.

Nope you can't RAID a single drive. It's called (R)edundant (A)rray of (I)ndependent (D)isks for a reason ;-)

I would certainly recommend a RAID setup, but you should ask yourself first what you want to accomplish with this. Protect your data? Reduce access times? Which has which priority? Then choose the RAID setup accordingly. Mind you, since you're not going to have horrendous amounts of data, I would go for RAID 1, something between 500GB - 1TB for each disk. Makes recovery a whole lot easier.

Stay clear of software RAIDs though, they suck balls and can end up eating a lot of CPU performance, plus write times often double. A dedicated RAID controller may be overkill (although nice), but some motherboards have pseudo RAID controllers, may be worth a look. (btw I didnt check up on the board you mentioned, whether it does or not).

For your purposes though, I don't think read access times should be much of an issue. More an issue if you do computations or image/video editing that requires lots of swapping, regardless of your RAM. You need to ask yourself how important your data is that you'll be keeping on the machine.

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