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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
March 28 2009 17:35 GMT
#1
I lost my internet connection this morning. A few hours later I got around to calling my ISP for tech support and the tech support guy told me my connection was "deactivated by the securities department" and he gave me a number and ref. number to call. They said my connection was deactivated because of copyright infringement for Frost/Nixon. They said I had to stop sharing it for them to turn it back on. I deleted it from my torrent and they turned my internet back on. Anyone ever hear anything like this happening? I use Vuze for torrents and COX is my ISP.

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cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
March 28 2009 17:38 GMT
#2
That's an interesting development.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2749 Posts
March 28 2009 17:40 GMT
#3
Yeah, I got a letter for sharing a stupid movie i didnt even watch because it was so bad, and GTA.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 28 2009 17:58 GMT
#4
On March 29 2009 02:40 Navane wrote:
Yeah, I got a letter for sharing a stupid movie i didnt even watch because it was so bad, and GTA.

How do you know it was bad if you didn't watch it? :p
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6990 Posts
March 28 2009 17:59 GMT
#5
Don't download from public torrent trackers in the future unless you have another way of staying safe. :p
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
March 28 2009 18:01 GMT
#6
Get another ISP.
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
March 28 2009 18:02 GMT
#7
On March 29 2009 02:35 BlackJack wrote:
I lost my internet connection this morning. A few hours later I got around to calling my ISP for tech support and the tech support guy told me my connection was "deactivated by the securities department" and he gave me a number and ref. number to call. They said my connection was deactivated because of copyright infringement for Frost/Nixon. They said I had to stop sharing it for them to turn it back on. I deleted it from my torrent and they turned my internet back on. Anyone ever hear anything like this happening? I use Vuze for torrents and COX is my ISP.

What company are you?

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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
March 28 2009 18:03 GMT
#8
Yep, I'm with Cox too. About a year back, I was downloading an episode of The Wire, that had just been leaked. Within a few hours, my internet was shut down. Didn't have to call them to reconnect it, but I did have to delete the file. So, I did that.

A few months after that, I was downloading and episode of Friday Night Lights I had missed. I was paranoid, because my internet was shut off right as I was browsing the NBC website, watching another episode.

I had to call Cox that time, and they guy talked to me and was like "I just have to tell you that we have a three strike rule. If we have to stop your service again, your account will be up for review, and we'll decide if we want to keep you as a customer."



I've been really careful with my downloading since then. My best guess is that the owners of popular content are tracking IPs via torrents, and then informing the ISPs. But I have no idea how it works.
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FlamyDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Netherlands146 Posts
March 28 2009 18:16 GMT
#9
lol wth? I download whatever I want and never had any problems with it :x
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
March 28 2009 18:24 GMT
#10
Your lucky you werent sued or anything. For this to happen whatever company that owns the rights to frost/nixon probably would have had to contact your isp and it sounds like your isp saved your ass by just turning your connection off and not giving them your name/address.

you should learn to use peerguardian i your sticking with torrents
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
March 28 2009 18:54 GMT
#11
Wow I have had friends receive letters from there ISP to not be sharing/dl'ing stuff but have never had or heard of anybodies net to be turned off. That fuckin sucks dude. U might want to stay away from public torrents from now on if thats the case.
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
March 28 2009 19:13 GMT
#12
On March 29 2009 03:54 Kennelie wrote:
Wow I have had friends receive letters from there ISP to not be sharing/dl'ing stuff but have never had or heard of anybodies net to be turned off. That fuckin sucks dude. U might want to stay away from public torrents from now on if thats the case.


Can you get caught if you're using private torrents?
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 28 2009 19:14 GMT
#13
What is peerguardian?

Also, what trackers are public and what ones are private?
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11584 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 19:17:25
March 28 2009 19:17 GMT
#14
they are private because not many people know of them, and usually require invites.

www.peerguardian.com
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
March 28 2009 19:18 GMT
#15
On March 29 2009 04:17 CaucasianAsian wrote:
they are private because not many people know of them, and usually require invites.

www.peerguardian.com


This sends me to e-harmony website...
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StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
March 28 2009 19:35 GMT
#16
lol hes trying to tell you something

yeah iv gotten notices myself >_> scares the shit out of me...but they will nvr take me alive BELIEVE IT~
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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 28 2009 19:39 GMT
#17
lol strangest thing ever....Just had to delete 1 torrent and they would let you do other stuff
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 28 2009 19:45 GMT
#18
On March 29 2009 04:17 CaucasianAsian wrote:
they are private because not many people know of them, and usually require invites.

www.peerguardian.com


yeah, OP, do you use peerguardian?
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
March 28 2009 20:35 GMT
#19
PeerGuardian won't help.
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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
March 28 2009 21:06 GMT
#20
Can only happen in USA. Internet deactivated haha, what a joke...
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
March 28 2009 21:12 GMT
#21
I had my internet cut off for about a week or so.
Most excruciating experience ever.

I only use private trackers now, can't trust public at all.
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MyCrow
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)248 Posts
March 28 2009 21:26 GMT
#22
I read yesterday that AT&T (my ISP) will also be doing this. I wonder if Demonoid is fine to use?
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 28 2009 21:28 GMT
#23
On March 29 2009 06:26 MyCrow wrote:
I read yesterday that AT&T (my ISP) will also be doing this. I wonder if Demonoid is fine to use?

demonoid is terrible for this kind of thing
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PriitM
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Algeria181 Posts
March 28 2009 21:49 GMT
#24
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11553 Posts
March 28 2009 22:12 GMT
#25
whoa, AT&T is going through with this shit? :/

I guess I'll have to find some more private trackers. Anybody know if What or Demonoid will still be ok?
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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 28 2009 22:18 GMT
#26
I think they're suppose to be doing something similar here but I haven't heard of anyone getting their connection cut off yet.
No I'm never serious.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 28 2009 22:37 GMT
#27
New Zealand almost went that way, with a law proposed to mandate that ISPs cut off access for customers accused of violations. Last I heard the proposal died, but it will be back.

Seriously though, torrents (especially public ones) are just asking for it. Anyone can join the tracker and see who else is on it.

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binary newsgroups, on the other hand, are nice
PriitM
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Algeria181 Posts
March 28 2009 22:52 GMT
#28
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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
March 28 2009 23:57 GMT
#29
In my case, I checked my ISP's help page for the details of their news server.

Of course that doesn't work for everyone, as some ISPs don't carry usenet, or block the alt. hierarchy.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
March 29 2009 00:05 GMT
#30
Even if you use peer guardian, you're gonna get caught if you use a public tracker like the pirate bay..
But if you use all private trackers, you'll probably never get caught.. so thats my suggestion. look for good private torrent sites
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
March 29 2009 00:28 GMT
#31
I've read on multiple places that PeerGuardian doesn't help you the way most people think it does
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Zombie Download
Profile Joined September 2008
United Kingdom6 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 00:59:42
March 29 2009 00:57 GMT
#32
On March 29 2009 05:35 R1CH wrote:
PeerGuardian won't help.


This is true. It may help to some degree, however peerguardian can only block ips that are known to belong to copyright enforcing agencies and I assure you there are more IPs where those came from. That being said, it certainly couldn't hurt in the future.

Really all they have to use is a modified torrent client which just grabs the IPs of everyone seeding and leaching off of the torrent. You can even do the same yourself by checking the IP addresses of the people you are connected to on the torrent.

This problem is of course bypassed with private torrent sites, however those are difficult to get into and I'm not even talking about the really private ones, even the less private places like demonoid can be hard enough if you don't know somebody.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the important thing is that if you can get into a private tracker, so can a copyright agency, so a less private one may not really protect you like you want it to.
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
March 29 2009 01:04 GMT
#33
On March 29 2009 06:06 Samurai- wrote:
Can only happen in USA. Internet deactivated haha, what a joke...


Actually this happens in Poland as well, I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in multiple countries. When I lived in the US and had COX/Comcast/TimeWarner we ( roomates & I ) would have this happen as TimeWarner customers - usually I would go to a website and would have a form stating "Your account is in violation of downloading this & that, stop it, Do you agree Yes/No" And clicking Yes would unblock the account.
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Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 03:54:08
March 29 2009 03:52 GMT
#34
Wow this a first I already have a shitty internet(Time Warner), lucky I don't torrent anymore
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-29 04:01:48
March 29 2009 03:59 GMT
#35
On March 29 2009 06:26 MyCrow wrote:
I read yesterday that AT&T (my ISP) will also be doing this. I wonder if Demonoid is fine to use?

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/mpaa-asking-isp.html
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-Testing-New-RIAA-Warning-System-101536
Yeah testing a 3rd strikes rule that's about it, At&t wont shut off service to you without a court order is their stance though i believe, But the have been scaring the shit out of ppl giving calls and sending emails that they know what you are doing.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ATT-We-Wont-Boot-P2P-Users-101573

Cox is the only one currently enforcing the 3rd strikes thing i would change services or get a megaupload account or something...
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
March 29 2009 07:59 GMT
#36
On March 29 2009 12:52 Tekin wrote:
Wow this a first I already have a shitty internet(Time Warner), lucky I don't torrent anymore

You dont torrent? What do you use internet for then ?
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 29 2009 08:22 GMT
#37
what? if i cant download using torrents i better close my connection. I wonder whats the policy about companies that buy bandwidth to ATT.
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PriitM
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Algeria181 Posts
March 29 2009 11:01 GMT
#38
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
March 29 2009 11:29 GMT
#39
Our nation's third biggest ISP is fighting a court battle to NOT do this. I hope they wins.
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PriitM
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Algeria181 Posts
March 29 2009 11:32 GMT
#40
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
March 29 2009 11:38 GMT
#41
One option is to get a seed box.
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Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
March 29 2009 12:48 GMT
#42
This reminded me that in Sweden there's a new law being put to practice in two days that forces the internet-providers to release all information they have on a customer about copyright infringement. That is going to suck so hard because they wont stop at shutting down your internet, you might also go to court.
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
March 29 2009 13:20 GMT
#43
On March 29 2009 21:48 Makhno wrote:
This reminded me that in Sweden there's a new law being put to practice in two days that forces the internet-providers to release all information they have on a customer about copyright infringement. That is going to suck so hard because they wont stop at shutting down your internet, you might also go to court.


>:/ Yeah. Gay.

I was just wondering though if anybody knows, are the chances of getting caught lesser when downloading from a site like rapidshare? Because I see all this talk about bittorrents, but I don't really see anything about direct downloading. Rapidshare for example, has most shit you look for, so as long as you have an account, you can easily download most games, movies, etc, faster even then you would with some random public torrent.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 29 2009 17:14 GMT
#44
On March 29 2009 16:59 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 12:52 Tekin wrote:
Wow this a first I already have a shitty internet(Time Warner), lucky I don't torrent anymore

You dont torrent? What do you use internet for then ?

Browsing TL.net obviously.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 29 2009 21:43 GMT
#45
On March 29 2009 22:20 NonFactor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 21:48 Makhno wrote:
This reminded me that in Sweden there's a new law being put to practice in two days that forces the internet-providers to release all information they have on a customer about copyright infringement. That is going to suck so hard because they wont stop at shutting down your internet, you might also go to court.


>:/ Yeah. Gay.

I was just wondering though if anybody knows, are the chances of getting caught lesser when downloading from a site like rapidshare? Because I see all this talk about bittorrents, but I don't really see anything about direct downloading. Rapidshare for example, has most shit you look for, so as long as you have an account, you can easily download most games, movies, etc, faster even then you would with some random public torrent.


the chances of getting caught go down to 0%

the issue here is uploading, not downloading.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
March 29 2009 22:04 GMT
#46
On March 29 2009 04:13 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 03:54 Kennelie wrote:
Wow I have had friends receive letters from there ISP to not be sharing/dl'ing stuff but have never had or heard of anybodies net to be turned off. That fuckin sucks dude. U might want to stay away from public torrents from now on if thats the case.


Can you get caught if you're using private torrents?

I dont think so. I've been downloading shit from a private tracker site for a long time, since im connected to the schools internet, and they've never said anything.
A friend of mine downloaded "Liar liar" from an open tracker and got busted.
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
March 30 2009 01:25 GMT
#47
My internet was never shut down but I did get a warning email from my ISP saying that any further use with torrent sites will result in my account being indefinitely frozen.

Scared the hell out of me because in my neighborhood there's only one provider. I would be stuck with dial-up if I got shut down. =[
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 30 2009 01:28 GMT
#48
On March 30 2009 06:43 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2009 22:20 NonFactor wrote:
On March 29 2009 21:48 Makhno wrote:
This reminded me that in Sweden there's a new law being put to practice in two days that forces the internet-providers to release all information they have on a customer about copyright infringement. That is going to suck so hard because they wont stop at shutting down your internet, you might also go to court.


>:/ Yeah. Gay.

I was just wondering though if anybody knows, are the chances of getting caught lesser when downloading from a site like rapidshare? Because I see all this talk about bittorrents, but I don't really see anything about direct downloading. Rapidshare for example, has most shit you look for, so as long as you have an account, you can easily download most games, movies, etc, faster even then you would with some random public torrent.


the chances of getting caught go down to 0%

the issue here is uploading, not downloading.

There is a reason why ADSL is cheaper then SDSL download bandwidth is cheap upload is not.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
March 30 2009 01:37 GMT
#49
I have AT&T and download from public trackers mostly. I've never received any notice or had my internet shut down. Although, sometimes when I download something with U-Torrent. My internet will be mildly sluggish after that for like an hour. I mostly download games, and music. I do get an occasional aXXo movie of isohunt.com, though. I'm not really into shows, and I mostly use Hulu for that anyway.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 30 2009 01:41 GMT
#50
AT&T warnings have been to only those downloading movies currently AT&T is the largest isp in the US they really don't want to be dealing out warnings etc and cutting off internet, which they don't but they are planning to put up filters later... due to outside pressures. And only was being done for like 4 days now don't even know if they are going to keep it up etc.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
March 30 2009 03:05 GMT
#51
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USENET

Come on people..
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