EPTBut I spoke to a friend of mine telling him how things had turned out for me and that things would only get tougher. Then he said "Tough times don't last. Tough men do."
Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country.
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
But I spoke to a friend of mine telling him how things had turned out for me and that things would only get tougher. Then he said "Tough times don't last. Tough men do." Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country. | ||
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Demoninja
United States1190 Posts
-a billboard I saw | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Unless it kills you. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote: Nationalism doesn't make sense to me. To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. I like this post. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote: But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it. No you don't. I get it when people say they need to protect their families. When they say they need to protect countries is where they lose me for their cause. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:27 Nytefish wrote: Nationalism doesn't make sense to me. To british people I'm foreign, to chinese people I'm foreign. Lines on a map drawn by monkeys. It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 23 2009 21:06 JMave wrote:Then it all made sense. It made sense to defend this country. From what, exactly? | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote: It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already! | ||
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kemoryan
Spain1506 Posts
On March 23 2009 22:51 TheTyranid wrote: It's about being proud for your people, culture and history, not borders and territory. I can understand it if you are proud of your friends, family or yourself. But how can you be proud of a bunch of people you don't even know of, and that just happen to be born inside your territory? I can also understand that you like your culture, and history, etc. But do you think countries go to war so as to protect their culture and history? The answer is no, millions of people die in wars with mainly other interests (economic, etc.) which have nothing to do with culture at all. On March 23 2009 21:50 JMave wrote: But they drew the lines anyway. So we have to protect it. Sorry but that's a lame reason to put your life in risk for. Unless what you meant is that you are forced to because they drew those lines... On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote: I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago Exactly. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 23 2009 23:19 hymn wrote: I find it hard to be proud of something I never took part in. My understanding is that people should be proud of things they HAVE done (like I am a vet and I am damn proud and happy when a patient is getting better), not my things they have read about being done 50-100-1000-2000 years ago (like being proud cause of a battle where the bulgarian troops led by Tzar Simeon raped the Byzantium army at Anchialus in 917). Why be proud of that? Bottom line is shitload of people died there for the imperial interests of both countries... Or you, the Russians being proud of defeating the Nazis back in 1945... I can understand the actual soldiers thinking "Wow we raped the mightiest army in Europe, we rock" but a modern Russian boasting over it is pitiful. Or "Hey you know I am proud cause Tolstoi is one of the best writers in the world!". It does not matter nowadays what nationality he had, get over it already! It is to create an identity for otherwise really bland people. What if you were a loser and had nothing else than your nationality? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On March 24 2009 01:08 Cloud wrote: Nationalism can be compared in many ways to religion, its just to control the masses | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
To me nationalism is weird. | ||
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Track
United States217 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
Fucking seed. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
On March 24 2009 01:35 NonFactor wrote: I agree, nationalism is useless. For example, when Sweden beats another country in hockey for example, why should I be happy? Did I somehow contribute to their win? Am I superior to others because the people who beat the other people happened to be born closer to me? No. We all come from Earth. Imo the whole industry when it comes to World Cup is rather useless, the sport on other hand is kind of fun. I usually don't give a crap about soccer, but when sweden plays, I'm fucking pumped. It's MY TEAM is all. No the lines in the sand don't matter, but you are from the same country, they share most of your values and culture, they represent you. When I tell people I'm swedish in the US, they automatically think I'm awesome. Sweden is where the Shortsnout dragons come from, and that other creature Luna was talking about. Yes goddamnit, Sweden featured in fucking Harry Potter, I nearly came, not because I have anything to do with what my country is like or does or thinks, but simply because it's MY TEAM. Humans are pack animals, we care about our pack. If some other pack gets suicide bombed, we shrug and say "thats a shame," but if some of our herd does good in soccer you're damn right we're gonna show pride at being of the same herd as them. I may have lost my train of thought, but the tl;dr of it comes down to this: humans are teamplayers. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Good luck to you. I hope you can avoid doing anything terrible. | ||
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Makhno
Sweden585 Posts
On March 24 2009 02:30 Osmoses wrote: I usually don't give a crap about soccer, but when sweden plays, I'm fucking pumped. It's MY TEAM is all. No the lines in the sand don't matter, but you are from the same country, they share most of your values and culture, they represent you. When I tell people I'm swedish in the US, they automatically think I'm awesome. Sweden is where the Shortsnout dragons come from, and that other creature Luna was talking about. Yes goddamnit, Sweden featured in fucking Harry Potter, I nearly came, not because I have anything to do with what my country is like or does or thinks, but simply because it's MY TEAM. Humans are pack animals, we care about our pack. If some other pack gets suicide bombed, we shrug and say "thats a shame," but if some of our herd does good in soccer you're damn right we're gonna show pride at being of the same herd as them. I may have lost my train of thought, but the tl;dr of it comes down to this: humans are teamplayers. However un-patriotic I may call myself, the mention of Sweden in Harry Potter (several times!) made me all warm and proud. Soccer does'nt though, Honestly I think it's mostly because the reference toutches closer to your own person, but many times it may be because you feel some sort connection to your nation/culture/whatever. One thing though: Bulgaria got the coolest dragon, fuck! | ||
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Mista
Singapore1022 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
If he survived, you should be fine  | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 24 2009 02:18 Track wrote: From a TL.net user in the US Marine Corps, stand tough for your country. It's not about nationalism or ignorant patriotism, it's about defending the men and women next to you; it's about fighting for a cause greater than yourself and knowing that what you're doing is having a positive effect on those you love. See this I understand, that's something I could really see myself fighting for. Myself, my friends, my family, things like that. But as mentioned in this thread before, things that people did a few hundred years back shouldn't and don't matter to me. I agree with you though, it should be about fighting for yourself and your family etc etc. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 24 2009 00:35 chaoser wrote: It has to do with a sense of community, humans are social creatures and so when the place where you reside in gets threatened by an outside force, you band together to fight back. You could even scale that feeling back to TL. People feel pride in TL and when other sites (SC2GG, GosuGamers, etc.) challenge TL to showmatches, we show solidarity. Most people don't contribute much to the main parts of the site PX, TLPD, TLFE, LR but we still contribute in small ways that make us feel as if we belong blogs, topics, posting and so that's similar to people in a country doing work or purchasing goods from that country. It's about pride. this blind nationalism is different thing altogether but this thread is full of really retarded posts. | ||
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rredtooth
5460 Posts
On March 24 2009 00:35 chaoser wrote: It has to do with a sense of community, humans are social creatures and so when the place where you reside in gets threatened by an outside force, you band together to fight back. You could even scale that feeling back to TL. People feel pride in TL and when other sites (SC2GG, GosuGamers, etc.) challenge TL to showmatches, we show solidarity. Most people don't contribute much to the main parts of the site PX, TLPD, TLFE, LR but we still contribute in small ways that make us feel as if we belong blogs, topics, posting and so that's similar to people in a country doing work or purchasing goods from that country. It's about pride. good post. OT - Why the hell aren't you posting on mafia? | ||
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gzealot
Singapore238 Posts
I have been through the Officer Cadet Training Course in Singapore, only worse training would be from Commandos and other special Ops units. If you can take heart in that.. as for not going home, take it as saving money. When i went home everyday, transport cost a freaking BOMB. Its a short two years (or 1 year 10 months). ORD LORH! | ||
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