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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 21 2009 20:58 GMT
#1
I was curious...I've been looking at LCD monitors to buy. I'm looking to get a 22", probably on the cheaper end. I've been looking at this one in particular:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001254

But anyway, that's not particularly important.

Anyway, my question is...is there a noticeable difference between 5ms and 2ms refresh delay? It wouldn't matter except at rather high levels of FPS play, no?

*
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stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
March 21 2009 21:02 GMT
#2
I heard that only people who play high levels of FPS notice the difference. This may be because that they have "better eyes" than a large amount of the population. There is no difference, I tried both.
hoorah
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 21 2009 21:09 GMT
#3
Not really. Once you get below 8ms it's all pretty much smooth sailing. The biggest difference between high end and low end lcds is the contrast ratio and the general color and vibrance you will see. The only way you'd really know the difference is if you had a high quality one side by side with a low quality one.

I've used an LCD for a long time now, the 12ms+ ones, they screen will look like someone smeared vaseline on it if you play something like Q3 or you are bunnyhopping in HL or something.

They might also be lacking things like an internal scaler, but most drivers can handle aspect ratio without a hitch.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 21 2009 21:21 GMT
#4
What is an internal scaler?

I use a seven year old Dell laptop, so the LCD definitely isn't top notch...I don't know its specs, but I guess it's safe to assume at this point that any modern LCD will be a considerable step up...haha.
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 21 2009 21:25 GMT
#5
I mean your monitor might not be able to adjust the aspect ratio on a hardware level, just through your video card drivers, which would only be an issue if you ever tried to do use it for something other than a computer monitor, like if you hooked up a console or something that doesn't have native support for 16:10 itself
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 21:27:58
March 21 2009 21:26 GMT
#6
the ms is bull shit from 5 to 2 is really no difference the reason you want lower ms is to prevent bleeding of the picture which most monitor don't have an issue with anymore. I used to use a Viewsonic pro series VP9somethingb had 8ms no tearing at all

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009145

is better the one you listed uses dynamic contrast (the cheap way to make it darker) i'm not a fan but you decide. The contrast you'll be looking at normally will probably be around 1000:1
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
March 21 2009 21:26 GMT
#7
If you play competitive FPS yea.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
March 21 2009 21:43 GMT
#8
LCD's give me a headache, laggy pieces of shit.

Get a nice CRT, or the new $400+ lcds by samsung that actualy have good hertz
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 21 2009 21:46 GMT
#9
You know you have that totally backwards CRT give headaches LCD dont lol also CRT give increased eyesight fucked up ness this is related to those who get headaches
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 21:55:41
March 21 2009 21:55 GMT
#10
There's not much difference between 5 and 2, and that's a great deal for that monitor with those specs. I paid about $100 more than that when I bought my Samsung 216BW 22'' about a year ago. (Very similar stats)
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IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
March 21 2009 22:19 GMT
#11
Unless you play FPS games and stuff like that where having a high refresh rate is a must. For example, in counterstrike if you have a crappy LCD and play on 100 FPS it will blur whenever you turn... Its incredibly annoying.

If you dont play anything like that, you won't notice. Probably.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
March 21 2009 22:40 GMT
#12
On March 22 2009 06:46 IzzyCraft wrote:
You know you have that totally backwards CRT give headaches LCD dont lol also CRT give increased eyesight fucked up ness this is related to those who get headaches


No, you're wrong.

LCD's have a terrible reputation for reason, their low refresh rate kills my head.

Less refresh rate -> more eye strain.

LCD's are terrible for everything but being small. They only got decent recently with samsungs new LCD, except its $400, or $600 with their REALLY AWESOME 3D GLASSES!

I guarantee you've never played with anything more than 80hz.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 23:37:22
March 21 2009 23:18 GMT
#13
Lol i had a 120htz crt before i traded up for a lcd that thing used to give me head akes all the time High refreshrate is a lie you tell yourselfs ask teamliquid what kills your eyes crt with all those pros getting glasses or lcd. lcd is an accurate picture crt is a fuzzy picture shooting a ton of electrons at your eyes there is a huge difference.

Reason for eye pain for crt is too low refresh rate and fuzzy picture

for lcd it's bightness is too much for the person becuase they locked themselfs in a dark room and stook their face right into the lcd to watch then porn
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whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
March 21 2009 23:55 GMT
#14
i dunno i just dealt with my lcd brightness by lowering the brightness and contrast settings?
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 21 2009 23:58 GMT
#15
Or you can play in your room with the lights on for once, there is a reason why Japanese show tell you to watch in a well lit room.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Everywhere
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States97 Posts
March 22 2009 00:11 GMT
#16
On March 22 2009 08:18 IzzyCraft wrote:
Lol i had a 120htz crt before i traded up for a lcd that thing used to give me head akes all the time High refreshrate is a lie you tell yourselfs ask teamliquid what kills your eyes crt with all those pros getting glasses or lcd. lcd is an accurate picture crt is a fuzzy picture shooting a ton of electrons at your eyes there is a huge difference.

Reason for eye pain for crt is too low refresh rate and fuzzy picture

for lcd it's bightness is too much for the person becuase they locked themselfs in a dark room and stook their face right into the lcd to watch then porn


Uhh...you have these two mixed up...

1. High refresh rate is EASIER for your eyes. Less flicker, smoother image.
2. CRTs have better picture quality, especially for SC, because they are not limited by a native resolution like LCDs are. That's why LCDs display SC so shittily.

Also, progamers use CRTs for two reasons: picture quality and input lag. The most vital factor when considering an LCD is its input lag (not the same as response time). CRTs have virtually no input lag, meaning that mouse actions are displayed immediately. LCDs on the other hand, have a very minute input lag (<10ms on good ones), which is why your picture lags behind your mouse actions. Keep in mind that this lag in LCDs is very little - hardly noticeable. However, the difference is VERY apparent after using both an LCD and CRT back to back.


This has a very comprehensive list of monitors and their performances. Be sure to check the results for "Delay compared to CRT" if you're looking for high performance.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
March 22 2009 00:24 GMT
#17
My apartment is too small to use a CRT. My desk is literally like two feet deep from the wall to where I sit. A CRT planted there would be like five inches from my face.

LCD is a must for size.
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
March 22 2009 01:28 GMT
#18
Also he seems to forget CRT is loaded radiation box LCD is not it's why it's bad for your eyes.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-22 01:31:05
March 22 2009 01:30 GMT
#19
I still suggest
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009145
over the op one

Although i do like how much adjustable the samsung one is
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
March 22 2009 01:37 GMT
#20
Isn't there a difference because the mouse/keyboard add response time so then it becomes noticable with everything adding up?
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