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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 15:30:10
March 02 2009 15:29 GMT
#21
Anyone who fears and dodges someone just because they're Korean is a moron, the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.

Anyway congrats on the B-, I tried to make the push from C to B- on the last night but ended up with like ~5800 points when the server went down due to people (mostly god damn koreans) disconnecting on me -_-
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
sprawlers
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway439 Posts
March 02 2009 16:30 GMT
#22
On March 03 2009 00:29 jello_biafra wrote:
Anyone who fears and dodges someone just because they're Korean is a moron, the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.

Anyway congrats on the B-, I tried to make the push from C to B- on the last night but ended up with like ~5800 points when the server went down due to people (mostly god damn koreans) disconnecting on me -_-

Are you kidding me? There is a definite difference between koreans and foreigners at the D to C+ ranks at least, and I would expect the same on other levels.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
March 02 2009 16:34 GMT
#23
Hmm I really don't think so, seems like an irrational fear to me, look through the Korean rankings and there's an absolute shitton of total newbs.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-02 17:11:08
March 02 2009 17:09 GMT
#24
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


I think iCCup talk in general has become really pathetic. There is no proper way to play iCCup. Here is a list of made up 'rules' that I've seen so far on TL. By rules, I mean the way to play if you don't want to be criticized.

  • Play people your own rank; forget the fact that the system adjusts the points you receive depending on who you're playing.
  • Play a healthy amount of koreans, if your match list doesn't have a certain amount of Koreans [that amount is interpreted on a case by case basis], you're going to be called out on it.
  • A certain amount of your opponents on your match list must have a winning record [that certain amount is also interpreted on a case by case basis]. If you don't have this, there is going to be some guy that posts a SS of your match list that has been photoshopped to show how many bad players you beat.


I am sure there are some others, but these are the latest ones I've seen. If your thinking that this only happens to people who post brag threads about their iCCup ranks, you're wrong, because I have seen numerous threads where a certain player is mentioned and others dig through their match list to check for the above criteria.

EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.
stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
March 02 2009 17:40 GMT
#25
On March 03 2009 00:29 jello_biafra wrote: the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.


ummmm.... no...
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Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
March 02 2009 17:45 GMT
#26
i think the best idea is to just play.

doesn't matter who, just play for fun!
555, kthxbai
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
March 02 2009 17:47 GMT
#27
On March 03 2009 02:40 stk01001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 00:29 jello_biafra wrote: the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.


ummmm.... no...

Well either that or I'm an exceptionally good foreigner then and should move to korea.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 02 2009 18:56 GMT
#28
On March 03 2009 02:09 Salv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.


It wasn't easier... more good people playing (many progamers played this season, probably more than ever) = higher skill level but also the fact that many people playing will help eachother reaching higher ranks (until you lose more than you gain from your rank). So naturally, there was a lot of 'bad' C+/B- players in comparison with earlier seasons.

Also, Naruto, you didn't strike me as the humble and hardworking type ret described you as after yelling 'lucky noob' several times when we played.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
AloneInDaBunker
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)123 Posts
March 02 2009 19:02 GMT
#29
gj.. I really wish I could do that..
Boxer is the truth.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
March 02 2009 19:10 GMT
#30
On March 03 2009 03:56 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 02:09 Salv wrote:
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.


It wasn't easier... more good people playing (many progamers played this season, probably more than ever) = higher skill level but also the fact that many people playing will help eachother reaching higher ranks (until you lose more than you gain from your rank). So naturally, there was a lot of 'bad' C+/B- players in comparison with earlier seasons.

Also, Naruto, you didn't strike me as the humble and hardworking type ret described you as after yelling 'lucky noob' several times when we played.


Perhaps that was it. I am simply basing this off of the fact that last season in the last week, I still found C+ really hard and getting B- was very hard; as a matter of fact, I didn't get B- last season. This season, the last week was extremely easy and getting B- wasn't difficult at all.
Zortch
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada635 Posts
March 02 2009 19:30 GMT
#31
Congratz!
I love your perspective. I try to follow it myself (at much lower ranks) but it is definetly frustrating. Iccup rank should not be synonymous with skill .
Respect is everything. ~ARchon
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 08:04:08
March 03 2009 08:02 GMT
#32
On March 03 2009 03:56 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 02:09 Salv wrote:
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.


It wasn't easier... more good people playing (many progamers played this season, probably more than ever) = higher skill level but also the fact that many people playing will help eachother reaching higher ranks (until you lose more than you gain from your rank). So naturally, there was a lot of 'bad' C+/B- players in comparison with earlier seasons.

Also, Naruto, you didn't strike me as the humble and hardworking type ret described you as after yelling 'lucky noob' several times when we played.


Ye when a player does the same strategy all the time it just fucking pisses me off. Also watch over the replay where my tank bugged and got killed , but whatever. If you wanna brag about your win, congratz! Also probably you should play 90% Koreans and get crushed and being not frustrated. Can happen to anyone. Usually I just leave with gg or ragequit when I'm pissed.

But you were never angry and ragequitted or something right?
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 03 2009 08:27 GMT
#33
On March 03 2009 02:47 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 02:40 stk01001 wrote:
On March 03 2009 00:29 jello_biafra wrote: the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.


ummmm.... no...

Well either that or I'm an exceptionally good foreigner then and should move to korea.

not sure how you managed to reach that conclusion
or is it just some kind of subtle brag about your rank?
foreigners are literally 3 ranks behind koreans of equivalent 'rank' in the B's
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 03 2009 08:31 GMT
#34
On March 03 2009 17:27 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 02:47 jello_biafra wrote:
On March 03 2009 02:40 stk01001 wrote:
On March 03 2009 00:29 jello_biafra wrote: the AVERAGE korean below like A rank is no better than a foreigner of similar rank.


ummmm.... no...

Well either that or I'm an exceptionally good foreigner then and should move to korea.

not sure how you managed to reach that conclusion
or is it just some kind of subtle brag about your rank?
foreigners are literally 3 ranks behind koreans of equivalent 'rank' in the B's


I think you can say that about Korean Terrans and certain match ups since Terrans are most likely always 1 or 2 ranks above the rank they reach and foreigners are usually 1 rank below they reach because they stop at the beginning of like A- because they know they just hit A- with abuse and will die hard against other A- players.

But for Protoss and Zerg I'd say Koreans on B are the level of a B+/A- (without abuse) foreigner. At least thats what I've experienced - on the second hand I'm TRYING(!) to face as many Koreans as possible but since I usually work at Korean hours its just impossible for me to judge overall.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 03 2009 16:35 GMT
#35
On March 03 2009 17:02 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 03:56 Shauni wrote:
On March 03 2009 02:09 Salv wrote:
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.


It wasn't easier... more good people playing (many progamers played this season, probably more than ever) = higher skill level but also the fact that many people playing will help eachother reaching higher ranks (until you lose more than you gain from your rank). So naturally, there was a lot of 'bad' C+/B- players in comparison with earlier seasons.

Also, Naruto, you didn't strike me as the humble and hardworking type ret described you as after yelling 'lucky noob' several times when we played.


Ye when a player does the same strategy all the time it just fucking pisses me off. Also watch over the replay where my tank bugged and got killed , but whatever. If you wanna brag about your win, congratz! Also probably you should play 90% Koreans and get crushed and being not frustrated. Can happen to anyone. Usually I just leave with gg or ragequit when I'm pissed.

But you were never angry and ragequitted or something right?


I can understand everyone feeling frustrated at times, I do it too... but I've never taken it out on my opponent unlike you. I also don't like how you're implying that I should feel 'proud' about beating you one game, as if you were some kind of progamer or even a top foreigner. The only reason I remembered the game was because you were acting like a jerk. You also came off as a jerk when you started whining at me for asking for a game when I was 1 rank above you - it was a bit uncalled for since I had already been looking for games in the B channel for minutes. Earlier in the season, I was almost soley playing koreans and getting bashed hard too. The only times I ever dodge is when infamous hackers or badmannered people like you ask me for games.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 04 2009 07:45 GMT
#36
On March 04 2009 01:35 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 17:02 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On March 03 2009 03:56 Shauni wrote:
On March 03 2009 02:09 Salv wrote:
On March 02 2009 18:31 G.s)NarutO wrote:
A lot of stuff


EDIT: Oh yes, and to post about this past season, I thought it was extremely easy. One of the easiest seasons I've played yet. It could be due to any number of reasons, but compared to prior seasons playing at similar times, I felt as though this season was one of the easier ones.


It wasn't easier... more good people playing (many progamers played this season, probably more than ever) = higher skill level but also the fact that many people playing will help eachother reaching higher ranks (until you lose more than you gain from your rank). So naturally, there was a lot of 'bad' C+/B- players in comparison with earlier seasons.

Also, Naruto, you didn't strike me as the humble and hardworking type ret described you as after yelling 'lucky noob' several times when we played.


Ye when a player does the same strategy all the time it just fucking pisses me off. Also watch over the replay where my tank bugged and got killed , but whatever. If you wanna brag about your win, congratz! Also probably you should play 90% Koreans and get crushed and being not frustrated. Can happen to anyone. Usually I just leave with gg or ragequit when I'm pissed.

But you were never angry and ragequitted or something right?


I can understand everyone feeling frustrated at times, I do it too... but I've never taken it out on my opponent unlike you. I also don't like how you're implying that I should feel 'proud' about beating you one game, as if you were some kind of progamer or even a top foreigner. The only reason I remembered the game was because you were acting like a jerk. You also came off as a jerk when you started whining at me for asking for a game when I was 1 rank above you - it was a bit uncalled for since I had already been looking for games in the B channel for minutes. Earlier in the season, I was almost soley playing koreans and getting bashed hard too. The only times I ever dodge is when infamous hackers or badmannered people like you ask me for games.


You never insulted anyone, heard different stories from allies =]
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 04 2009 08:26 GMT
#37
played a game vs naruto.. he proxy fact me.. and lost cause I 9pool speed. He had the audacity to call me a cheeser when he proxy fact'd me on collo....

Not leaving a great impression with me.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 04 2009 08:49 GMT
#38
On March 04 2009 17:26 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
played a game vs naruto.. he proxy fact me.. and lost cause I 9pool speed. He had the audacity to call me a cheeser when he proxy fact'd me on collo....

Not leaving a great impression with me.


Check your PM!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 04 2009 08:51 GMT
#39
Ok nm apparently it was a friend on his account.
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