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Is This Bush?!

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MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
January 05 2009 09:11 GMT
#1


Found that on Digg.com. What the hell happened to bush in the process? I understand you got to promote yourself on those debates, but he's done exactly the opposite of what he's preaching.


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stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
January 05 2009 09:23 GMT
#2
911 and bush became a puppet pretty much afterward.
hoorah
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 09:53:17
January 05 2009 09:52 GMT
#3
omg what happened to him :/
omfg...
omfg hahahaha life would've been better if he'd kept those values

oh WAIT a second, those are the shit he's saying in his campaign, obviously it'll be different.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
January 05 2009 09:59 GMT
#4
On January 05 2009 18:23 stanley_ wrote:
911 and bush became a puppet pretty much afterward.

Unfortunately thats not really the case. Bush pretty much abandoned everything he campaigned on the minute he stepped into office.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
January 05 2009 10:16 GMT
#5
Most of you are probably too young to remember the political climate pre-911.

For example, in 1999/2000 or so, I remember reading an article warning about Al-Queda's growing capacity to attack, claiming that they needed to be aggressively routed out, otherwise a large-scale terrorist attack would be likely. I believe the phrase used was "Bin Laden needs to meet he business end of a B-52 bomber." In hindsight, this would seem insightful premonition. But that was from the pages of Soldier of Fortune (or something similar) almost 10 years ago. That proactive-speak was considered war-monger right-wing drivel.

In this 2000 campaigning, he's trying to appeal to Year 2000 moderates and left-of-centers. All those alignments have shifted since then. This hindsight comparison is as stupid as eating tortilla chips after chewing on a lemon ("ouch").
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
January 05 2009 10:52 GMT
#6
And it better not turn out to be Obama.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 12:26:22
January 05 2009 12:15 GMT
#7
On January 05 2009 19:16 HeadBangaa wrote:
Most of you are probably too young to remember the political climate pre-911.

For example, in 1999/2000 or so, I remember reading an article warning about Al-Queda's growing capacity to attack, claiming that they needed to be aggressively routed out, otherwise a large-scale terrorist attack would be likely. I believe the phrase used was "Bin Laden needs to meet he business end of a B-52 bomber." In hindsight, this would seem insightful premonition. But that was from the pages of Soldier of Fortune (or something similar) almost 10 years ago. That proactive-speak was considered war-monger right-wing drivel.

In this 2000 campaigning, he's trying to appeal to Year 2000 moderates and left-of-centers. All those alignments have shifted since then. This hindsight comparison is as stupid as eating tortilla chips after chewing on a lemon ("ouch").

Going after terrorists is one thing, but blatantly lying in order to invade iraq is inexcusable and shows that he was lying in the video above about being against nation building, which is exactly what he is doing in iraq.

He went from weapons of mass destruction (ploy) to the reason being spreading democracy and freedom. His words, not mine.
Do you really want chat rooms?
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 13:30:24
January 05 2009 13:20 GMT
#8
On January 05 2009 21:15 fight_or_flight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 19:16 HeadBangaa wrote:
Most of you are probably too young to remember the political climate pre-911.

For example, in 1999/2000 or so, I remember reading an article warning about Al-Queda's growing capacity to attack, claiming that they needed to be aggressively routed out, otherwise a large-scale terrorist attack would be likely. I believe the phrase used was "Bin Laden needs to meet he business end of a B-52 bomber." In hindsight, this would seem insightful premonition. But that was from the pages of Soldier of Fortune (or something similar) almost 10 years ago. That proactive-speak was considered war-monger right-wing drivel.

In this 2000 campaigning, he's trying to appeal to Year 2000 moderates and left-of-centers. All those alignments have shifted since then. This hindsight comparison is as stupid as eating tortilla chips after chewing on a lemon ("ouch").

Going after terrorists is one thing, but blatantly lying in order to invade iraq is inexcusable and shows that he was lying in the video above about being against nation building, which is exactly what he is doing in iraq.

He went from weapons of mass destruction (ploy) to the reason being spreading democracy and freedom. His words, not mine.

Firstly, nothing you said contradicts me.

You aren't responding to my post in the appropriate scope. I am speaking about the attitude shift. We puffed out our chests a bit. "Fuck terrorists!" The US took a more aggressive foreign policy stance in general. USA patriotism became vogue again; you no longer had to be a Reagan-era Republican to waive an American flag. What we Americans defined as "common sense" fundamentally shifted rightwards. As time passes, we are sliding back left in our rationale, scorning the reactionary attitudes most ALL of us experienced for individually-varying amounts of time immediately following the 9/11 attacks.

And secondly, you are being intellectually dishonest by misrepresenting intent.

Bad intelligence =/= "blatant lying"

I'm not saying it wasn't a blunder,
but,
why criticize what is a clearly successful operation? Why not acknowledge that the operation that never-should-have-been has turned out pretty well? Iraq is looking pretty good and seems well on its way to legitimate rationale sovereignty. For the first time.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
January 05 2009 13:24 GMT
#9
he seems like a completely better public speaker in that video too

Last.Epic , Epic[LighT]
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 13:33:51
January 05 2009 13:30 GMT
#10
On January 05 2009 22:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 21:15 fight_or_flight wrote:
On January 05 2009 19:16 HeadBangaa wrote:
Most of you are probably too young to remember the political climate pre-911.

For example, in 1999/2000 or so, I remember reading an article warning about Al-Queda's growing capacity to attack, claiming that they needed to be aggressively routed out, otherwise a large-scale terrorist attack would be likely. I believe the phrase used was "Bin Laden needs to meet he business end of a B-52 bomber." In hindsight, this would seem insightful premonition. But that was from the pages of Soldier of Fortune (or something similar) almost 10 years ago. That proactive-speak was considered war-monger right-wing drivel.

In this 2000 campaigning, he's trying to appeal to Year 2000 moderates and left-of-centers. All those alignments have shifted since then. This hindsight comparison is as stupid as eating tortilla chips after chewing on a lemon ("ouch").

Going after terrorists is one thing, but blatantly lying in order to invade iraq is inexcusable and shows that he was lying in the video above about being against nation building, which is exactly what he is doing in iraq.

He went from weapons of mass destruction (ploy) to the reason being spreading democracy and freedom. His words, not mine.

Firstly, nothing you said contradicts me.

You aren't responding to my post in the appropriate scope. I am speaking about the attitude shift. We puffed out our chests a bit. "Fuck terrorists!" The US took a more aggressive foreign policy stance in general. USA patriotism became vogue again; you no longer had to be a Reagan-era Republican to waive an American flag. What we Americans defined as "common sense" fundamentally shifted rightwards. As time passes, we are sliding back left in our rationale, scorning the reactionary attitudes most ALL of us experienced for individually-varying amounts of time immediately following the 9/11 attacks.

And secondly, you are being intellectually dishonest by misrepresenting intent.

Bad intelligence =/= "blatant lying"

I'm not saying it wasn't a blunder.

I guess we don't disagree then, except perhaps on the "level" of bad intelligence.

On January 05 2009 22:20 HeadBangaa wrote:
why criticize what is a clearly successful operation? Why not acknowledge that the operation that never-should-have-been has turned out pretty well? Iraq is looking pretty good and seems well on its way to legitimate rationale sovereignty. For the first time.

Too many dead iraqis, and too much money spent for my tastes. Hopefully iraq will turn out well and we will be able to leave.
Do you really want chat rooms?
prOxi.Beater
Profile Joined December 2008
Denmark626 Posts
January 05 2009 13:52 GMT
#11
Interesting. Gonna be exciting to see how Obama will turn out
Nobody beats the Beater
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
January 05 2009 15:09 GMT
#12


naonao
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States847 Posts
January 05 2009 15:26 GMT
#13
Presidents always lie when their running, making tons of false promises that can never be fulfilled, anything so that the masses will vote for them. After the election, most people will forgot the majority of their promises and they will do whatever they want.
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
January 05 2009 17:17 GMT
#14
On January 06 2009 00:26 naonao wrote:
Presidents always lie when their running, making tons of false promises that can never be fulfilled, anything so that the masses will vote for them. After the election, most people will forgot the majority of their promises and they will do whatever they want.

w/e
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
January 05 2009 17:54 GMT
#15
Many people, including myself, found Bush's 2000 campaign platform impressive, as long as we ignored the shortcomings of his character. Ron Paul was somewhat justified in claiming that he ran the 2008 primaries on Bush's 2000 platform. The difference is that his integrity and Bush's are nowhere comparable.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 05 2009 18:06 GMT
#16
god, he sounds so fucked up. its like what he said then, he fucking contradicts now by ACTING it.
MER
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria125 Posts
January 05 2009 20:30 GMT
#17
On January 06 2009 00:09 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjJAIuQz9D8



lol. sounds funny, but unfortunately lots of ppl had to suffer for this.
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
January 05 2009 23:27 GMT
#18
I dont think Bush is a bad man, just an average Joe. But when you have an average Joe ruling the most powerful nation in the world, well... Just look around.

He got manipulated by a lot of people, he probably actually tried to be a good president, but he just lacked the intelligence and character to do so.

And so, just because this man is weak, hundreds of thousands had to die... What a funny place the world is.
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