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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 22:14:02
November 18 2008 22:13 GMT
#1
So, being a college student who is sometimes stuck in the library or elsewhere without a mouse cause I forgot to bring one, and yet at the same time happen upon a desire for some ICCUP, I decided to see how far I could get playing on my laptop without a mouse! I played 11 games yesterday, a mix of T/Z/P, as follows:

Currently: 8-3 ; 1824 D
T: 4-0 TvZ /// 0-3 TvP /// 1-0 TvT
Z: 2-0 ZvP
P: 1-0 PvP

So, it really ticks me off when all the P's ever do on BlueStorm vs my T is cheese me to no end t.t
And then I try to micro against it, but fail miserably cause no mouse micro sucks ASS =/. So, to all those protosses out there, please remember; reused cheese tastes really bad! Don't use it! =)

Playing with touchpad is really interesting, since I can't spam my ass off, I actually have to start using apm in a useful manner, and in general pay more attention to the minimap and stuff, all of which are things I traditionally ignored, or kept forgetting about in game. Also, it makes me focus more on strategy, and less on blatant macro macro macro macro (cause my micro always sucked XD). So, it's been a pretty good workout/training of BW skills that I never really developed. I think I'll keep this up and see how high my rating can get like this ^o^

Rep Pack!
http://www.2shared.com/file/4306113/fd883c8a/TouchpaddingReps1.html

Oh, and APM readouts from the games...in chronological order:
176L 181W 167L 170W 175W 228W 240L 203W 174W 200W 252W

I'll try to get on and play a couple of games per day this week, dunno how that will go though, have a shizton of reading and papers to do T_T. But if I'm on, I'll see you uys in op irc on iccup!

Kami
Profile Joined July 2008
United States127 Posts
November 18 2008 22:16 GMT
#2
Wow, 200 apm with a touchpad. Sounds impossible though. Winning with a touchpads sounds impossible too, unless you're bashing on some D- noobs.
Dewis
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Finland344 Posts
November 18 2008 22:16 GMT
#3
Nice, I would go totally nuts if I was forced to play BW without a real mouse.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
November 18 2008 22:17 GMT
#4
This may be an interesting way to better your macro, since it would be tough as nails to macro with the mouse (clicking each factory/rax) so it's probably easier to 4m5m6m7m7e8e9e or something
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
November 18 2008 22:17 GMT
#5
Wow that's actually really impressive. I always attach a mouse to my laptop, so my touch-pad skills are almost non-existent.
No I'm never serious.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 22:21:02
November 18 2008 22:20 GMT
#6
My APM was 55 and 68 when playing against a computer, and then a newbie friend, respectively. I won both games, but seriously, I could never win a game on iccup with my touchpad. It can take me 10 seconds just to select one building, and the only reason I can macro is the keyboard.
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
November 18 2008 22:23 GMT
#7
omg PLEASE post a video of yourself playing with a touchpad. i can't imagine it.
i need 2 hands to use the touchpad on my laptop how can you use hotkeys and stuff then and get this high apm (I have 130 apm and im C+ish)
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 18 2008 22:24 GMT
#8
On November 19 2008 07:17 Salv wrote:
This may be an interesting way to better your macro, since it would be tough as nails to macro with the mouse (clicking each factory/rax) so it's probably easier to 4m5m6m7m7e8e9e or something


Yea, I've ended up either actually having good building placement for once (lol) so I can f2 the cluster of unit producing buildings, or using 5-8 for barracks.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7307 Posts
November 18 2008 22:25 GMT
#9
amazing

almost as amazing as cyrax and his trackball
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 18 2008 22:25 GMT
#10
On November 19 2008 07:23 MasterReY wrote:
omg PLEASE post a video of yourself playing with a touchpad. i can't imagine it.
i need 2 hands to use the touchpad on my laptop how can you use hotkeys and stuff then and get this high apm (I have 130 apm and im C+ish)



Hmm I don't have a vid cam, but I guess I could record fpvod of a game. What's a good freely available software for such a purpose?
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 18 2008 22:30 GMT
#11
On November 19 2008 07:16 Kami wrote:
Wow, 200 apm with a touchpad. Sounds impossible though. Winning with a touchpads sounds impossible too, unless you're bashing on some D- noobs.


Well, usually 40-50% of my apm is hotkeys, with average around 44-45%. It's just the way I play I guess =/
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 18 2008 22:34 GMT
#12
I think camtasia has free trial.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
November 18 2008 22:54 GMT
#13
On November 19 2008 07:23 MasterReY wrote:
(I have 130 apm and im C+ish)

only with protoss...
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
November 18 2008 22:54 GMT
#14
heh u''ve gotten better since the last time i've seen you
must be that 200 IQ kicking in or whatever u have lul
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 18 2008 23:05 GMT
#15
On November 19 2008 07:54 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 07:23 MasterReY wrote:
(I have 130 apm and im C+ish)

only with protoss...

sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-18 23:05:30
November 18 2008 23:05 GMT
#16
I can't even begin to attempt SC with a touchpad... Amazing, just amazing.

On November 19 2008 08:05 YPang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 07:54 caelym wrote:
On November 19 2008 07:23 MasterReY wrote:
(I have 130 apm and im C+ish)

only with protoss...


shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
November 18 2008 23:29 GMT
#17
wTF? how do you get such high apm with a touchpad..
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
November 19 2008 00:00 GMT
#18
highest apm i got with touchpad is 150, and best rank is C-.

<_< good luck. we should play sometime. my id on iccup is touchpad
555, kthxbai
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-19 00:09:09
November 19 2008 00:08 GMT
#19
On November 19 2008 08:05 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 08:05 YPang wrote:
On November 19 2008 07:54 caelym wrote:
On November 19 2008 07:23 MasterReY wrote:
(I have 130 apm and im C+ish)

only with protoss...




So what? That doesn't mean anything for christ's sake. I have aroun 120 apm with protoss (which is my main) and about 150 apm with Terran, which I play A LOT less. Having more apm with terran just comes natural. So being able to be 130 amp C+ could mean that he would be 160+- apm with Terran at C+, which is not really that bad/"imbalanced".
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vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
November 19 2008 00:20 GMT
#20
Didn't you have a mouse at the Duke LAN? Were you borrowing one from someone or did I just not notice? ><
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17035 Posts
November 19 2008 00:25 GMT
#21
I've used touchpad only for years.

...which probably explains my 90 range APM.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 19 2008 00:37 GMT
#22
Over 150 Apm with a touchpad. You're hotkey setup must work very well for you.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 19 2008 01:01 GMT
#23
On November 19 2008 09:20 vAltyR wrote:
Didn't you have a mouse at the Duke LAN? Were you borrowing one from someone or did I just not notice? ><


I had a mouse at the LAN, I just never bring it around with me is all.

highest apm i got with touchpad is 150, and best rank is C-.

<_< good luck. we should play sometime. my id on iccup is touchpad


Lol! what an appropriate name =P
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
November 19 2008 01:03 GMT
#24
I don't believe any of this at all.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-19 01:06:30
November 19 2008 01:06 GMT
#25
On November 19 2008 10:03 Azrael1111 wrote:
I don't believe any of this at all.


I'm recording a fpvod of it this weekend -.-
Enjoy then! (just don't spazz at my somewhat erratic pointer movement!)
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
November 19 2008 01:08 GMT
#26
I'm tempted to see if I could even beat the comp with just my touchpad.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24752 Posts
November 19 2008 01:27 GMT
#27
I can't even play with a DIFFERENT mouse lolol
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 19 2008 01:31 GMT
#28
The most important thing to know is, what's your normal rank?
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 19 2008 01:32 GMT
#29
200 APM with a touchpad? That is pretty impressive.
Wow...
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 19 2008 01:44 GMT
#30
On November 19 2008 10:31 Pokebunny wrote:
The most important thing to know is, what's your normal rank?


Hmm, C-
Although, I could probably hit C if I didn't play so infrequently. I'm not any good against non-zerg though lol. It's that way cause all my friends are zerg =P

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Just a random assumption of C, since I can get C- without ever having used a storm =)
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 19 2008 02:17 GMT
#31
On November 19 2008 10:27 micronesia wrote:
I can't even play with a DIFFERENT mouse lolol


I can't play with a different keyboard >.> I suck on my laptop ><;;
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24752 Posts
November 19 2008 02:20 GMT
#32
On November 19 2008 11:17 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2008 10:27 micronesia wrote:
I can't even play with a DIFFERENT mouse lolol


I can't play with a different keyboard >.> I suck on my laptop ><;;

Two different issues. Laptop keyboards for most people are harder to use. However, even with another nice computer keyboard, I know I'll have trouble getting used to it.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
November 19 2008 04:26 GMT
#33
Wow, thats pretty impressive but I find it hard to believe
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
November 19 2008 05:12 GMT
#34
On November 19 2008 13:26 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Wow, thats pretty impressive but I find it hard to believe


Meh it's not that hard at D level. Just mass a bunch of shit and 1a2a3a4a5a

(or with terran, 1t2t3t4t12a3a4a5a6a). Just doesn't work for TvP on blue storm, thus why I am 0-3 on that -.-
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
November 19 2008 06:15 GMT
#35
WOW, 4-0 TvZ? TvZ is the mu that requires THE MOST micro imo. How did you pull that off? :O

Also, very high apm with only a touchpad for only being C-/C, I find this hard to believe.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 19 2008 06:33 GMT
#36
Definitely make an FPVOD of this. Camtasia has a free trial and I think you can use hypercam indefinitely but it watermarks your videos.
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Zeller
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States1109 Posts
November 19 2008 06:44 GMT
#37
On November 19 2008 07:25 Sadist wrote:
amazing

almost as amazing as cyrax and his trackball
;|



Am i the only one that thought that was funny as hell
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-19 06:54:45
November 19 2008 06:48 GMT
#38
On November 19 2008 15:15 3clipse wrote:
WOW, 4-0 TvZ? TvZ is the mu that requires THE MOST micro imo. How did you pull that off? :O

Also, very high apm with only a touchpad for only being C-/C, I find this hard to believe.


It's cause my strategy/game sense are shit. No matter how much apm you have, you still get fucked when you forget to defend against doom drops -.-

Or try pure mnm vs shitton of lurkers (unless you pro as heck, which I'm not)
And all sorts of other variations.......

So yea. I tend to build the wrong things. At the wrong times. Thus my rank. =(

PS: TvZ really doesn't require much micro at D rank. Not if your macro is decent.

PPS: And I am also really really inconsistent. I really don't know why, and have tried to fix it for a while now, but it remains =/
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 19 2008 20:47 GMT
#39
I played one game against a friend on a touchpad. My apm was surprisingly good, but my wrists hurt like crazy after one game.
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