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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
It won't work on my laptop, but I think it works on my desktop. What is a good type of Linux to work with for beginners? All I have is Ubuntu at the moment but I'm willing to grab my hands on anything. Also, how exactly do Live CD's work if they don't save anything onto your computer? If there a way to make them become permanent? Also - any good websites for references/manuals? TANSK. brb trying dis out - if I don't log in for a week i fucked something up.  | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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micronesia
United States24758 Posts
On November 18 2008 04:40 Wurzelbrumpft wrote: was with teamliquid consisting of girl and computer threads I think computer threads stands to reason... btw I'm noticing your recent blogs are all 100% content related and dry lol... can't blame you. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
ubuntu is your best bet for a beginner's look at linux. if you get really into it you may one day graduate to debian | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
My desktop computer has problem reading disks (my father was asking me why I fucked up the computer so bad that it won't read his music CDs so I slapped a bitch.) I put the Ubuntu Live CD in, restarted the computer. And nothing came up. And I wish I knew why it didn't work on my laptop. By the way, the laptop is vista incase anyone was wondering. Any solutions for Mr. Labby? This is kind of queer because I was looking forward to feeling elite for once in my life. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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MER
Bulgaria125 Posts
On November 18 2008 05:11 heyoka wrote: Is it checking the cd drive on boot or loading straight from hard disk? You might need to tell it to load from the CD when its booting this^^. If youre still not able to run it, try searching in ubuntuforums.org, maybe someone has had the same problem. | ||
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
Get 8.10 Intrepid Ibex from www.ubuntu.com Then just boot your laptop from that cd and it should work. 8.10 supports much more hardware than 6.06 does (obviously). This may help a big deal  | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 18 2008 06:11 distant_voice wrote: intrepid ibex is awesome. other distros that are good for beginners are mint and opensuse from what I hear. mint ist 99% ubuntu though. Ubuntu is a very accessible distro for a first-time user, and can still be very usable for a high-level user (I know someone who develops software at a National Laboratory and his entire group is standardized on Ubuntu). I've heard that Mint has poorer support than Ubuntu (since the project is a spinoff, and I believe smaller). I've only used OpenSuse briefly, but that would definitely be my first choice if I needed to do something Red Hat-related. BTW, I use Ubuntu.  | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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guga31bb
United States23 Posts
On November 18 2008 05:35 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: You should grab the latest version of Ubuntu first of all. Get 8.10 Intrepid Ibex from www.ubuntu.com Actually Intrepid has been pretty buggy for a lot of people so far. For someone who's just beginning, I'd recommend Ubuntu Hardy Heron - it's much more stable and is a long-term release, so it will be supported for a couple years. This is especially true for people with laptops as wireless networking in Intrepid has been pretty bad. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
Of my head, the centrinos are supported well and grab 8.04 hardy if you want to get into it. I have intrepid atm and it's awesome but not something recommended for absolute beginners. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
The main reason why I would recommend ubuntu is because there are many people who use it, so if you have a problem, you can probably google for a solution and find it (which you can't do for lots of other smaller distros) | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
also look up all your hardware on ubuntu lists, make sure nothing is blacklisted.. just before you go bashing your head in because something doesn't work | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On November 18 2008 08:04 Navane wrote: yep. stick with the latest ubuntu. care to elaborate why that's a good idea? | ||
riptide
5673 Posts
http://www.puppylinux.org/ The .iso is just 94mb btw. Of course, it's a little less user friendly than Ubuntu, since most of the apps they ship are minimal implementations of the stuff you need. Instead of OpenOffice.org, for example, they ship Abiword, which is a stripped down, smaller word processor. Still, if you like using live CDs, it's certainly worth a shot. Also, go for Ubuntu 8.10, it's bound to have support for more devices than 8.06. Linux is a great experience, and can save your skin many a time if you know how to use it right. Take me, for example - before Linux, I'd have been toast without a hard disk. Now I'm just browsing TL like normal. Thanks FOSS! | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
Problem though is my internet won't work. I read the website and I followed the instructions word per word. Added a wireless connection, put in my SSID: "linksys" - apparently. Which according to the guide was the only information I needed. My router is SSID-roaming enabled according to the 192.168.1.1 page. But it still won't give me my internets. WTF. HALP. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On November 20 2008 20:52 HeadBangaa wrote: driver? Okay I'm computer illiterate. What do you mean by "driver"? I did do some research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver). Still don't exactly know what to say... layman's terms please? | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On November 21 2008 06:35 SCC-Faust wrote: Okay I'm computer illiterate. What do you mean by "driver"? I did do some research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver). Still don't exactly know what to say... layman's terms please? A driver is a program which makes a certain piece of hardware work with your operating system... *g* Without these, your OS couldn't access any hardware and would thus be useless. The good news is that Linux supports more hardware out of the box now than Windows (the Linux kernel includes a ton of drivers). The bad news is that it's really just out-of-the-box - if you have a hardware which doesn't work with Windows you go download a driver somewhere, and that'll work, with Linux, there's the chance that there is no driver - not in the kernel, and nowhere for download either. But unless you have really exotic hardware that shouldn't be a problem anymore. Linux has become quite good in terms of hardware support. So that should be the least of your worries. The biggest problem fresh Linux users face is beating the habit of Windows... everyone thinks he knows a lot about computers after growing up in a Windows world, but put that person in front of a Unix/Linux system and he'll feel the pain of not knowing shit anymore... because everything is different, only the surface looks familiar. Even the need to find new programs to use is an unsolvable trouble for some. You'll have an easier time if you have used lots of open source software in Windows, like Firefox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Pidgin and things like that. If you haven't, you'll have a much harder time adjusting. It takes time (and, ideally, the will or curiosity to learn something new). If you don't have time, don't even try. :p | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
Anyways, here is the crap I have: Router - WRT54G Linksys Modem - Motorola Surfboard SB5120 Cable Modem Laptop - Compaq Presario C700 And I don't know where to find my network wireless card thing? I run the router/modem off of my desktop XP and it is wireless so my laptop usually just connects when it was Vista. Not sure if anyone needs anything more. This is what I tried:
From what I understand SSID = name of network, and I remember when connecting to it on my DS or Vista laptop, it says linksys. But nothing has worked so far. | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
Second, you need to give much more info... for starters, the outputs of lspci, ifconfig, iwconfig, and iwlist WLANDEVICE scan (WLANDEVICE is something like eth1 or ath0 or wlan0, you'll see it from the output of ifconfig). All run as root (in Ubuntu, there is no root account (although you could create one), but your default user can use sudo to gain admin privileges, which is a better solution than using a separate root account. Just type "sudo " before the command, then you're prompted to enter your user password (which is not echoed as you type)), and then the command is run with root/admin privileges). "sudo ifup linksys" makes no sense, so of course there's an error. You have to pass a network device name like eth0 to ifup, not a SSID. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On November 21 2008 08:38 0xDEADBEEF wrote: First of all you should upgrade to a recent Ubuntu. 6.06 is from 2006 and WLAN support has greatly improved since then. I just downloaded the newest version. 6.06 didn't work on my laptop. I think I'm using 8.10 or whichever is the newest at the moment currently. Second, you need to give much more info... for starters, the outputs of lspci, ifconfig, iwconfig, and iwlist WLANDEVICE scan (WLANDEVICE is something like eth1 or ath0 or wlan0, you'll see it from the output of ifconfig). All run as root (in Ubuntu, there is no root account (although you could create one), but your default user can use sudo to gain admin privileges, which is a better solution than using a separate root account. Just type "sudo " before the command, then you're prompted to enter your user password (which is not echoed as you type)), and then the command is run with root/admin privileges). Here is my crap - still got some noob error: + Show Spoiler + ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03) 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 02) 02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:38:b7:5f:7a UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:16 Base address:0x1000 lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:288 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:288 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:19232 (19.2 KB) TX bytes:19232 (19.2 KB) ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. pan0 no wireless extensions. wmaster0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwlist eth0 scan eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ | ||
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guga31bb
United States23 Posts
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
Anyway, your WLAN card seems to work, it just isn't able to associate with the AP. I know that problem from older Atheros-based cards since they have a shitty driver. Anyway, it's no biggie... you can do the configuration manually when NetworkManager doesn't work. I know that new users are fucked if that happens, but there's always a way with Linux. You have to edit the file /etc/network/interfaces (as root), and put all the settings there (and chmod it to 0600 so that only root can access it because your WLAN password will be in there). After that you should disable NetworkManager since it's no longer needed. But first, paste what's in that file. | ||
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