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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On October 28 2008 05:12 Moff wrote: wts, i can't believe i've never heard him before :< this stuff is great!!!! Well you'll love his newest song "deeedeeedooodododoooooodeeedlyteeteeboowaooooooooooowwwww" Guitar wankery at it's best | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
On October 28 2008 04:07 Phoned wrote: ...but he doens't have much substance. I put him in the category of "shredders," "wankers," whatever you want to call them. Sure, they are fast, but they don't bring much to the table musically. Don't underestimate his innate talent. And don't compare him to many of those people in metal that try to copy him. His success just damaged his ego so much that he can't think straight anymore. Yngwie thinks he's the greatest guitarist on the planet. That's why he doesn't even try to improve. It has nothing to do with him not having substance. Or maybe it's all just an act since he knows that doing what he does now will sell him the most CDs. If he had more substance then people wouldn't buy his CDs. Because then it would be too difficult to appriciate. | ||
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fanatacist
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11562 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On October 28 2008 01:28 BlackStar wrote: Yngwie is so silly. Also, he is frozen in time and locked up in his own habits. He stopped thinking. He played so much he basically can't improvise anymore and just throws out the same stuff over and over no matter what the setting or the context. It's not about still doing the same thing. It's that he doesn't even listen to himself. He ruins his greater moments by following them up with fast runs that are just stupidy timed. Anyway, best non-jazz non-classical guitarists are clearly Shawn Lane and Allan Holdsworth. Others are just far behind, no matter how good and flexible some of them are. But, Yngwie has the best vibrato ever on guitar. Donno if he still has it, though. shawn lane had such incredible technique but, unlike yngwie, he never played more notes than he had to, never played endless lines of shit scales over and over, didnt overplay at all (check out powers of ten, time is the enemy). allan holdsworth is just hands down one of the best guitarists in this world without a doubt i also suggest guthrie govan, although he hasnt been around as long as holdsworth or shawn lane he has a really great style. i personally like his blues stuff more than his shreddy wankery stuff though of all the dead and gone musicians, shawn lane is the one that i miss the most | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
There was one russian band before yngwie. Sounded Hardcore. Guitarist had like a 7 string, he was okay, used too much wah, and wasn't entirely clean, but he was good. The singer was funny to look at, he dressed like joker. Yeah...thats about it. Yngwie is SO! cool man, he is so awesome on stage. Brings such a great charisma. He started out with death dealer, which is on his new album. EFF this song is awesome. I was literally like 2 feet away from his guitar. And man those things have such a tone and shine to them. The cool thing was me and yngwie had this like 2 second moment. he had this freakin intense stare, he was hitting the low notes. and he was staring right directly at me and he raised his fist like a viking, And I was doing the same right at the time. And then he turned away and did more playing. It was the single greatest thing ever. And blackstar, He does listen to himself. You don't know what you are talking about. He's matured quite alot over the years. He isn't there to just wank. He composed everything. He makes sure everything is spot on. The vocals were great, the keyboards had slight problem at start and he was making gesturing to raise those up. And when he played the Fugue piece. He was actually kinda pissed the orchestra track wasnt being played loud enough. he had to turn his guitar down. He broke a string during red devil, AND KEPT TUNING THE GUITAR, AND IT sounded like EVEN BETTER THAN IT ORIGINALLY DID! it was intense. So say what you want blackstar, I can understand why you say it, but like...its an empty thought. sorta expected more out of someone with a great song of Yngwie's(not the effin Radiohead crap) as their name. hahaha, Im just kidding man. But yeah, a funny little story before the gig, an indian guy was holding out his acoustic and playing, some scraggly guy took it, started playing. the indian guy was like wow. you are fast man. he wasnt really playing that great, but it was allright at least. So he was about to put it away, and I asked if I could play. And Im not bad. I can play all sorts of yngwie stuff. and satriani stuff. but yeah it was pretty cool, the indian guy was a real chill guy just goin yeaaaah man, thats some smooth playing. Also some big guy stood RIGHT in front of me before yngwie played. And man this guy was huge it was difficult to see, but after the first band played, he snatched some yngwie picks and gave one to me and my brother. Cause we didn't complain, but then later my brother gave me the spot he was standing cause it was better. I appreciated it. But yeah, it was an awesome concert. Unfortunately my brother put his camera back in the car when they were all saying they would take away them if seen, blah, they got cell phone snapshots. And I could take a picture of the picks. I'll just take a picture now. What the crap, its saying I need to change batteries!? What is this crap! I just put BRAND new ones in! Oh this just. Whatever, screw u guys, YOU GET NO PROOF I DONT CARE IM JUST GOING TO GO ROCK. | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Yeah, Yngwie is obsessed with pitch. He has perfect pitch and one of the great things is that his guitar is almost always well in tune. He doesn't need to think. He hears and knows. I think he can even adjust intonation inaccuracies because of the scalloping. Many people have a hard time listening to guitar period because it's never perfectly in tune for every note you can play. But his note choice, it's just gone. He doesn't consider his phrasing. It's all instincts and reflexes for him now. Look, there is a big difference between a musician that's very critical about all elements of his play and a guitarist without musical substance, like one guy claimed. It's like he has 40 versions of that run originally from Far Beyond the Sun. But he plays it in almost every solo. And he ignores the build up of tension, the harmonic contect, etc etc. And be barely uses the dimension of rhythm. Sure, he's playing metal and catering to baroque. But even if you do it seldom, he has little rhythmic creativity. Maybe he does do it on his recent studio stuff. But it wasn't in his improvisation repetoire when I saw him 4 years or so ago. And this for a guy who claims he studies Bach and Vivaldi and claims to know all music theory there exists. Unless he totally changed since 3 years ago. But then he would no longer be Yngwie. | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
Pretty much everytime I've heard it, its like hearing it for the first time, every section I anticipate. And last night was effin awesome. Some nights may be better than others, but he's been so ON this year. Maybe you have forgotten about something called "soul?" And maybe even something called Rock n Roll. Cause when you know how to play your own music, its second nature, its like your child. Its not like you have to think. "oh I gotta switch to A minor and then --" no you just let the music carry you. Rhythmic creativity? What the eff, you base everything off of some gig you attended four years ago, and state that like thats how he is every single day. get over it, see him again! He isn't just a guitarist, and especially not one without substance. he's a composer, lyricist producer, bassist, even played cello, engineer, mixer. You probably know that. Everything. And like, its great that he still has musical inspiration flowing and working continually, and probably will still do for the rest of his life. hence why his album is called Perpetual Flame. He has a good musical vocabulary, he never said he knows every musical theory that exists. He only said he was well educated. He is still the same Yngwie though. he's made changes in his personal life, like drinking smoking, other things. And he's been somewhat of a health freak as he states, and is super busy with interviews and other things and can barely find time to buy shampoo. And he looks so cool on stage, he really gives it his all every gig. Whether or not that translates into perfect sound or feedback, whatever. He still goes in there with everything he has. Thats heart. "Evidence of substance in music? What does that even mean?" Uh, you read what he said wrong, he was asking for evidence that I was there. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On October 28 2008 07:59 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: i'm probably one of the biggest Yngwie fans you'll ever meet, but this album sucks ass. Tim Owens??? give me a fucking break. that guy has been thrown out of every single band he's ever been in. Baby, don't fear the Ripper. Baby, take my hand | ||
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HooHa!
United States688 Posts
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 29 2008 07:51 LordWeird wrote: Baby, don't fear the Ripper. Baby, take my hand Tim Owens fucking blows | ||
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
Also, what does 'soul' in music even mean? Emotion? Music doesn't have a soul and music doesn't contain emotions. Music is all about different ways to organise sound in terms of harmony, melody and rhythm. Even people don't have souls, while they do have emotions. Yeah, he can produce a song in a couple of minutes that's better than many other people in the business can. That's why I called out that other person. But that's not the issue here. I don't say that like many other people Yngwie should try something totally different. But there is a reason why so many other musicians do that. They know they are humans. They know they need to refresh and reinvent themselves. If you play guitar yourself you know it's a big problem for guitarists. The way they need to play is very mechanical, very much movement oriented instead of sounds/note oriented. Yngwie's solo playing for a long time has definitely degraded because of stagnation. Now maybe last year or two he totally changed. I know he lost life and adjusted his life style. But if he did you would probably complain because you like the old Yngwie more than the new one. Yngwie has been playing the exact same stuff for years. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. But think about what kind of attitude a musician must have to be able to do that. I am just giving a fair analysis of Yngwie's strong points, weak points and limitations. And no, you are misunderstanding. Someone claimed Yngwie is just a 'wanker' and his music has no 'substance'. I think both you and I defended the musical integrity of Malmsteen. And now he's asking for 'evidence of substance'. So I ask what he even means by that. Is he just going to say: "His music has no soul." which of course is a totally meaningless and subjective statement. Or is he going to make a musicological argument? I mean, I would say music by definition has no substance but music. It's just that. And that's what makes it the most amazing artform. It excels at being abstract and still very emotional. And how would a 'musical proof' look like? I know about Schenkerian analysis and all that stuff. But how do you proof something about the quality of music? | ||
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
On October 29 2008 08:15 d1v wrote: Also, Jason Becker's Album was called "Perpetual Burn" and Yngwie's "Perpetual Flame"? lol.. yeah i noticed that. an insult to becker | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
I know. You know what doesn't blow? The album you named yourself after. That album is 100/10. | ||
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