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naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1337 Posts
October 24 2008 16:58 GMT
#1
Why the fuck do so many people just smurf and play against D?

Why are people who could easily play C+ with their 250 APM insist on newbbashing D games all the time?

*
hmm.
raiame
Profile Joined December 2007
United States421 Posts
October 24 2008 17:00 GMT
#2
Well, not all people with 250 APM are going to be C+... it takes a lot more than just that to get there.
There are some people with APM that high who are legitimate D/D+s.
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
October 24 2008 17:04 GMT
#3
It feels bad to lose. Very frustrating.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
October 24 2008 17:14 GMT
#4
I don't think you run into all that many C+ guys at the D level. They're probably more like D+/C- and they do it because they don't want to lose :D. You should smurf D- people. I don't play anyone with rank D so there's less of a chance of it being a new smurf account.
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
October 24 2008 17:16 GMT
#5
250 apm and d? i kinda doubt that. Have to agree tough im a D right now who kinda belongs there skillwise. Have gone 8:8 yet and half of those losses were against people who clearly did not belong on D rank. At least u can always watch the rep afterwards and learn from ur mistakes.
Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
October 24 2008 17:17 GMT
#6
On October 25 2008 02:00 raiame wrote:
Well, not all people with 250 APM are going to be C+... it takes a lot more than just that to get there.
There are some people with APM that high who are legitimate D/D+s.




no d's at 250 apm unless spaming

and to answer question once they reace a certain rank and are not destroying every1 and getting some losses they like to restart and get better stats, but there are people like white-ra who and majesty_cz that play like 1000 a season with no restarts, simple reason they wanna get better

most people just like to win and playing vs better people should be good for you since u learn, but it is annoying losing to D players when u know u r a better rank and you are thinking wtf
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 24 2008 17:26 GMT
#7
That's why if you're smart and are trying to climb the ladder, you don't play D's who have like 5-0 or 0-0 stats.
Peace~
naventus
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1337 Posts
October 24 2008 17:30 GMT
#8
On October 25 2008 02:26 fanatacist wrote:
That's why if you're smart and are trying to climb the ladder, you don't play D's who have like 5-0 or 0-0 stats.


This. There are plenty of C players at D - and they have these sort of accounts.

But you can't see their stats unless you check the website. So how are you to know that the 2000 you are playing is like 12-0.
hmm.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 24 2008 17:30 GMT
#9
There is like 1 D+ in a million which has 250+ apm
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
October 24 2008 17:30 GMT
#10
It's not that I want to bash D newbs, I just don't have time to play SC regularly and just haven't ranked up yet and am still on my way to C.

Jeez man.
It felt like gravity.
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
October 24 2008 17:35 GMT
#11
People dont get C immediately, they gotta start at somewhere. Maybe its all coincident that you fight so many in a short period of time.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 24 2008 17:50 GMT
#12
On October 25 2008 02:30 naventus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 02:26 fanatacist wrote:
That's why if you're smart and are trying to climb the ladder, you don't play D's who have like 5-0 or 0-0 stats.


This. There are plenty of C players at D - and they have these sort of accounts.

But you can't see their stats unless you check the website. So how are you to know that the 2000 you are playing is like 12-0.

Really? Is this a recent change? Because I remember when ICCup worked for me (up until April) you could see stats AND score.
Peace~
-slo.m1ke-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Slovenia352 Posts
October 24 2008 17:50 GMT
#13
i lost vs. a 40apm guy. but i was dumb.
iNCuBuS_
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States905 Posts
October 24 2008 17:53 GMT
#14
On October 25 2008 02:50 -slo.m1ke- wrote:
i lost vs. a 40apm guy. but i was dumb.

No way, replay? lol
Also, Im sure a lot of people who might get to D+ or C- (or in your case, C+...) get there and then they start to lose some games or struggle to maintain their rank, so they make a new account to play against people they dont necessarily have to try as hard against.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
October 24 2008 17:53 GMT
#15
lol I think D's that are C+'s are just trying to get up on another account not there fault :o
vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
October 24 2008 17:54 GMT
#16
On October 25 2008 02:30 naventus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 02:26 fanatacist wrote:
That's why if you're smart and are trying to climb the ladder, you don't play D's who have like 5-0 or 0-0 stats.


This. There are plenty of C players at D - and they have these sort of accounts.

But you can't see their stats unless you check the website. So how are you to know that the 2000 you are playing is like 12-0.



Use the /stats command. type "/stats [enter name here]" and it'll show their point ranking. Unfortunately, it won't tell you their record, but you can at least roughly figure it out if you're at a major point deficit.
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
October 24 2008 18:04 GMT
#17
well i guess it comes with the ranking system that players who actually want to bash newbs like me have an easy time doing so. I dont really mind tough since as long as they dont hold back u can get a ton of useful input out of the replay concerning ur timing errors or bo mistakes that might be difficult to understand just by wachting a pro rep.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
October 24 2008 18:31 GMT
#18
250 isn't bad.

I am at D+ atm and I haven't played a zerg under 300 apm in over a month
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 24 2008 18:33 GMT
#19
They just want to relax and boost they ego when not even trying.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
October 24 2008 18:33 GMT
#20
On October 25 2008 02:50 -slo.m1ke- wrote:
i lost vs. a 40apm guy. but i was dumb.


Haha I wonder if it was me.

I used to smurf D back in the summer when I was C and I'd try to play with as low apm as possible. Me and my friend haemonculus would see how low we could get our APM with still winning a game.

The lowest I ever got was 37 apm and still won the game. Highest ratio game (highest enemy apm vs lowest my apm and still winning) was when I had 50 apm and my opponent was 200 apm zerg.

lol
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
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