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Where is heaven actually located in the 3-D aspect of things. I mean, the world is this round piece of mass floating in this galaxy which is one galaxy of millions/billions/trillions of other galaxies that exist in this massive universe. Where is heaven located in respect to the universe?
I mean, God created the universe (lets assume). So if he created the universe, then he must have started from OUTSIDE the universe. So would heaven be outside of the universe? or does heaven exist in the universe somewhere? and if it exists in the universe, is it in this galaxy or another galaxy?
If I assume heaven exists outside the universe (think of the universe as a bubble floating, and the air outside the universe is where heaven exists), then hypothetically, if I were to create a rocket with an unlimited fuel supply, would it eventually reach heaven if it were to fly in a straight line?
Similarly related, where does Hell exist in respect to the universe? I come from a non-western religion, so the topic of heaven intrigues me and I have not learned about it like western religions have.
 
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they dont exist, duh
edit - or, they exist in the minds of many people
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Thats actually a good thought! hmmm
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On September 27 2008 13:01 ieatkids5 wrote:
they dont exist, duh
edit - or, they exist in the minds of many people
I am asking the religions who believe in heaven (Not atheists/agnostics).
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religious - they probably believe that heaven/hell exists in a separate dimension not 'measurable' relative to the universe. a place only able to be reached by the metaphysical soul, rather than a physical body.
religious people in older times probably believed that heaven = 'the heavens above' and hell = deep/below within the earth, before they understood that the earth is a sphere (almost) and lies in the solar system.
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In the spiritual realm of course!
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Our idea of 3D space is only relevant to our universe. Leave our universe, and the concept becomes meaningless, and your question likewise.
In your hypothetical rocket, you can't go faster than the speed of light. Our universe expands at that speed. You could never reach the "edge," let alone go beyond.
Rather than approach the question from a "in which direction can I point to indicate Heaven's location?" perspective, let's try this. Our universe exists. Somewhere. Everywhere. Well, we can imagine that it exists within some realm. This realm is different from the realm of, say, ideas and numbers, like Tuesday or the number pi. Let's call it the natural realm - everything we can see or hear, taste or touch or smell. And the realm of ideas? Non-natural realm. OOooh.
How about stuff like ghosts and gods and heaven? We'll lump that all into a realm called the supernatural realm. Because they all have very natural-realm-like qualities, like "speaks English" or "has 10 fingers" or "is made of solid gold," except that we can't actually perceive them. Yeah, so that's where heaven is. Or rather, that's how I would describe wherever it is that heaven is.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
If you believe in heaven you believe that it is part of eternity which means there is no concept of space or time. you are infinitely old but infinitely young. No one actually believes that you gas up the jeep "hey ma goin to heaven for the weekend LOL!"
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It's obviously on another server. DUH
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Kennigit, that argument applies to people who aren't religious, too. The crux of the argument is that you can do many silly mathematical operations with infinity, so people who describe time as infinite are subject to strange results (I would argue due to fallacious arguments, though).
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United States24761 Posts
From a religious standpoint, I think the whole point, at least in more modern times, is that you can't tangibly explain where/how hell/heaven exist.
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On September 27 2008 13:25 ieatkids5 wrote:
religious - they probably believe that heaven/hell exists in a separate dimension not 'measurable' relative to the universe. a place only able to be reached by the metaphysical soul, rather than a physical body.
religious people in older times probably believed that heaven = 'the heavens above' and hell = deep/below within the earth, before they understood that the earth is a sphere (almost) and lies in the solar system.
fail, people from the past usually illustrate it like that for literary purposes, in paints and in sculptures.
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I think the concept of heaven is too big for us humans to understand with our underdeveloped brains or something like that. I prefer not to think about it, it makes my head hurt...
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and no one really knows where does heaven/ hell is. there where many theories in the past where people thought that Hell was a tangible/specific location even on this planet, tho i think those theories were unbiblical, since the bible does not specify
I can only tell you its not a physical world , rather a spiritual
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Heaven is located somewhere in the Galactic Confederation under the watchful eye of the great and powerful Xenu.
All hail Xenu.
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I think it's at the intersection of Imagination and Selfishness.
</nontheist>
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For those that didn't get it, I explained a possible concept on its location. That is, if it exists, of course.
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One argument I heard is that heaven might be in black holes.
There is barely any scientific explanation about what a black hole actually consists of and so some "Christian Scientists" are arguing this case.
They mentioned that the recent imaging of a black hole revealed a shape of a cross at the center.
I for one am skeptical but I won't put my opinions into this.
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On September 27 2008 13:46 Aerox wrote:
It's obviously on another server. DUH
ahahahaha too much wow for you
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Not Allowed to heaven
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On September 27 2008 14:54 capek wrote:
One argument I heard is that heaven might be in black holes.
There is barely any scientific explanation about what a black hole actually consists of and so some "Christian Scientists" are arguing this case.
They mentioned that the recent imaging of a black hole revealed a shape of a cross at the center.
I for one am skeptical but I won't put my opinions into this.
im a christian myself but this made me laugh
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Katowice25012 Posts
On September 27 2008 13:44 Kennigit wrote:
If you believe in heaven you believe that it is part of eternity which means there is no concept of space or time. you are infinitely old but infinitely young. No one actually believes that you gas up the jeep "hey ma goin to heaven for the weekend LOL!"
beep beep im a jeep
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