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On July 23 2008 09:47 nA.Inky wrote:
Sunyveil: Keep in mind I'm not an expert on reproduction and birth-control, I'm just a guy who's done a little research and had a vasectomy done on himself. But, my take on IUD's is that they are generally problematic for the same reasons the pill is - namely that they play around with a woman's hormones and so can effect weight, increase risk of cancer and stroke (I think), effect sexual desire, and in addition I think they can be slightly dangerous to a woman physically, but I'm not sure... Consider this just a very basic response - my recommendation to you is to do more research on your own.
ok... I just found out there are two types of IUD, hormonal and spermicidal. I'll be sure to have her avoid the hormonal ones, and thanks for the advice
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Sunyveil: good point, I have heard there are copper IUD's that apparently work by just causing the heads of sperm to fall off, or some such (I'm admittedly ignorant on the matter). Not sure how effective such a device is, or what physical consequences it might have for a woman.
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I just hope you wont regret it, but you seem to have put in a lot of thought about the procedure and its implications. All i can say is that when i was your age children was something very distant to me, i wasnt even sure if i wanted any. Wasnt really thinking about the overpopulation problem to be honest, it was mostly me being very self-centered and enjoying a care-free life looking out for number 1 (me).
Fast forward a few years and now i have my first son sleeping in the next room (2 months old). For me it was just a matter of meeting the right person and maturing to the point that i felt ready to make such a life altering commitment.
Obviously im biased on the subject, and so are you i guess but arent you worried that you will change your mind sometime in the future? Birthcontrol can be a bitch, but im of the opinion that somewhere deep down in our DNA we are hard-coded to reproduce. For some people this obviously never manifests as lots of people live excellent lives without children.
Bah, i'm not really going anywhere with my ramblings. All I wanted to convey was that vasectomy seems too drastic measure to take when being so young, without doing any finger-pointing in the process
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Karelen, I appreciate your sincere reply. I hope I do not regret my decision also, and at only a month after the procedure, it is too soon to say whether I will or not. You are right, I am young, being only 24 - nearly 25, and typically it is expected that a man who undergoes this procedure will be in a stable relationship and have one or two kids at least. But you are also right that I have done a lot of thinking on the matter, and I am a pretty hard-headed determined fellow as it is, and my reasons for vasectomy are many, as opposed to JUST wanting care-free sex.
Now to you: I hope YOU don't come to regret having a child. Most people will not say they regret having children, but I believe plenty of people do. It's just very difficult to admit that one regrets something as important as having a kid.
I was looking at Newsweek magazine this last weekend on an article about child-free people. According to this article (written by a mother, I'll point out now), people who have children are about 7% less happy than those who remain child-free.
For those who have children or insist on having children, it is just my sincere hope that you love your children deeply, and help them to become responsible, compassionate people.
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lol
dude do you say that about the USA? try to spend one week in a poor country and you will change your mind. my dream, and all people from sub-developed countries, is to live in the usa... omg...
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On July 23 2008 09:10 snowbird wrote:i wholeheartedly agree with this: Show nested quote +And, if I am to be honest, one of my great reasons for wanting to have a vasectomy is that I simply enjoy condomless sex. When I was with my sterile girlfriend, we had sex whenever and wherever we wanted, and never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, and never had to worry about whether we had condoms on hand. Condoms reduce sexual sensations, occasionally cause allergic reactions in men and women, and are a pain to deal with in general. I love spontaneous, care-free condomless sex. So much!!!! And yes, many of you are fans of the pill, but the pill is not as effective as vasectomy, and carries many bad side effects, such as increased risk of cancer, mood alteration, weight gain, and possible loss of sex drive! Plus, women are human, and they forget to take their pills just like anyone else.
but i'm just too afraid to regret it someday. people change. i even started to like rap music. not long ago i would have said NOW WAY IN HELL!
Still, the pill is like what 98+ per cent greater man. My girlfriend is currently on one of the two different types and we've been having sex like wild apes for a while. She has had no side effects when she is a lot different from other women hormonally and her cravings are the same old, same old. Out of mind, out of sight.
I understand your logic to a certain degree, but some of that stuff you really don't have to worry about.
To me it sounds like you are an over anxious individual. Do you get stressed out easily?
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On July 23 2008 09:23 nA.Inky wrote:
Yes, the consistency of my semen changed a little - it is seemingly a LITTLE more watery than before. Also the taste is slightly more bitter, but that could be due to recent dietary changes
Wait, what?
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Also, in most societies around the world, and certainly American societies, there is a general pro-reproduction attitude known as "pro-natalism."
Historically it was important to reproduce, since working the land, for example, was difficult work and required extra hands. Reproduction was a matter of survival.
I don't think there is anything essential about having children. I actually considered this a good bit before my vasectomy. The conclusion I've come to is most seeds do not ever become anything more than a seed, and why should it be so different for humans?
Also, to inject a little controversy before I leave for the night:
I am a self declared member of an organization called VHEMNT (pronounced vehement). This stands for Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. I am happy to lend myself to the cause of human extinction. I see nothing essential in the continuation of the human race, and I see much devastation as a result of humanity (27000 estimated extinctions per year, great environmental degradation). As a post-humanist, I don't consider humans to be more valuable or worthy than any other form of life. I reject the traditional heirarchy of God---Man--(Woman)---Animals---Earth.
The motto of VHEMNT is "live long and die out!" This is what I intend to do, and I'm happy to see others join the cause.
(For clarity, the key word in this movement is VOLUNTARY - it is not a violent movement, and people who have children can join also, just by declaring they will not reproduce any more, and generally favoring non-reproduction).
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On July 23 2008 10:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2008 09:23 nA.Inky wrote:
Yes, the consistency of my semen changed a little - it is seemingly a LITTLE more watery than before. Also the taste is slightly more bitter, but that could be due to recent dietary changes Wait, what?
Well, you wouldn't want to waste it, that would be bad for the environment.
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On July 23 2008 10:15 Showtime! wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2008 09:10 snowbird wrote:i wholeheartedly agree with this: And, if I am to be honest, one of my great reasons for wanting to have a vasectomy is that I simply enjoy condomless sex. When I was with my sterile girlfriend, we had sex whenever and wherever we wanted, and never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, and never had to worry about whether we had condoms on hand. Condoms reduce sexual sensations, occasionally cause allergic reactions in men and women, and are a pain to deal with in general. I love spontaneous, care-free condomless sex. So much!!!! And yes, many of you are fans of the pill, but the pill is not as effective as vasectomy, and carries many bad side effects, such as increased risk of cancer, mood alteration, weight gain, and possible loss of sex drive! Plus, women are human, and they forget to take their pills just like anyone else.
but i'm just too afraid to regret it someday. people change. i even started to like rap music. not long ago i would have said NOW WAY IN HELL! Still, the pill is like what 98+ per cent greater man. My girlfriend is currently on one of the two different types and we've been having sex like wild apes for a while. I understand your logic to a certain degree, but some of that stuff you really don't have to worry about. To me it sounds like you are an over anxious individual. Do you get stressed out easily?
it's not about being anxious, it's just bothersome and something you have to take care of
"crap, i forgot to take the pill yesterday" "crap, no more condoms left"
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Showtime: I am an unconventional person, yes... And I do crave certainty and closure on this issue. I don't consider myself particularly anxious, though, no. I just have strong convictions.
The pill can work well for some people. Though keep in mind, the longer a woman is on it, the more succeptible she is to health problems. If I weren't vasectomized, I'd be back to relying on condoms, most likely. I'm glad to not have to even think about any of this stuff now.
Shallow[Bay]: Haha, yep, I meant what I said. I taste my cum all the time. I like it. I find it easier to cum in my hand and drink it than to use a kleenex. The kleenex approach is wasteful also.
I don't understand the squeamishness... Most men see no problem cumming in their girlfriend's mouth and seeing them drink it. It's kind of erotic. Why should I expect a woman to do something I wouldn't do? And there is nothing dirty or nasty about cum. Mine tastes fine, and it is healthy. I'm comfortable with my body.
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I completely understand and agree with the sentiment that the US is not a nice place. I don't know others' reasoning behind it, but mine is that it's just not the place I grew up in any more. Surely there are still decent people, but the assholes are more abundant, very much more visible, and generally accepted. I don't know what to say about the state of US politics.
Maybe there isn't really a better place in the world, but that's really a bleak thought.
I like to think that it would be more responsible to wait for (or even better, work towards) a better place and time to raise kids.
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Thanks for the good posts you guys! I have to go for tonight. I plan to check back tomorrow. Otherwise people are welcome to email me if they have serious thoughts/questions.
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On July 23 2008 09:10 snowbird wrote:i wholeheartedly agree with this: Show nested quote +And, if I am to be honest, one of my great reasons for wanting to have a vasectomy is that I simply enjoy condomless sex. When I was with my sterile girlfriend, we had sex whenever and wherever we wanted, and never had to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, and never had to worry about whether we had condoms on hand. Condoms reduce sexual sensations, occasionally cause allergic reactions in men and women, and are a pain to deal with in general. I love spontaneous, care-free condomless sex. So much!!!! And yes, many of you are fans of the pill, but the pill is not as effective as vasectomy, and carries many bad side effects, such as increased risk of cancer, mood alteration, weight gain, and possible loss of sex drive! Plus, women are human, and they forget to take their pills just like anyone else.
but i'm just too afraid to regret it someday. people change.
i even started to like rap music. not long ago i would have said NOW WAY IN HELL!
OMFG NO WAY IN HELL RAP DIED WITH TUPAC
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On July 23 2008 09:41 minus_human wrote:I would not have had such an operation done to me. It is a matter of personal choice I guess, and you've made yours. Good luck! funny pic (semi-related) + Show Spoiler +
hahahaha half vampire half idiot
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really interesting blog. I hope you made the right decision nA.InKy!
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haha thats a fair point Inky. And yeah, a lot of people shouldnt have children.
Im not sure that i agree with you on the part of people regret having children but dont verbalize it out of fear for social stigma. But i cant really speak for anyone else but me.
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holy shit u are fucked up and a fag if u drink your own semen
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My kids will beat up your kids.
Seriously though, unless you visited a sperm bank ahead of time, I think you've put all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. Who knows if 35 year old Nick has the same politics as 25 year old Nick, or even if overcrowding is an issue at that point. It's always nice to leave your options open, and in today's medical world there's a bevy of options to prevent pregnancy without a vasectomy.
I was looking at Newsweek magazine this last weekend on an article about child-free people. According to this article (written by a mother, I'll point out now), people who have children are about 7% less happy than those who remain child-free. Of course people in the process of raising children are likely to be less happy and more stressed out, but that's not the entire picture. It would be like asking about your comfort level 2 days after your vasectomy compared to a person who hadn't had one.
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