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On June 05 2008 02:03 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2008 01:59 tttt wrote:On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote:On June 04 2008 18:22 thedeadhaji wrote:
exactly what I was going to say.
Also, their mistakes are typically magnified.
recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. Clemens blows off Make-a-Wish kids. He's a scumbag. Notice I didn't say he's a great dude? He's just not overtly a shithead like Bonds is/was, telling the media to piss off (at least prior to this past year), being a shithead to teamates ,etc.
He's definitely not as outwardly antagonistic. I think I'd rather have a beer with Barry, though. Clemens seems like a smug, self satisfied prick. Barry knows he's an ass and just runs with it. I do wish he'd stop with the race card already, though.
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On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2008 18:22 thedeadhaji wrote:
exactly what I was going to say.
Also, their mistakes are typically magnified.
recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick.
Clemens is much more of a scumbag than Bonds. Bonds is just not personable, Clemens actually does bad things.
And you're crazy if you think racism is imagined. True, it doesn't get covered properly, but it's there.
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man haji such a spammer, replying to your own posts.
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well, just think about what would happen if a white dude wrote an article about racism in sports... he'd probably get mass hate male from ignorant retards who read it calling him a racist.
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On June 05 2008 01:28 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'd rather read a racial piece from a white dude than a black dude actually, b/c the black dude on espn ALWAYS takes the position of "the world is against us" and when the writer is part of the "us", it's really annoying =/. Writer should be detatched from the subject? idunno.
Yeah, but to an extent, you want someone who has experience it. But yeah, you don't want writers/reporters/etc who just take it cuz they are black too. Like that whole McNabb bullshit last year... I mean please....
He plays in what is arguably the nastiest sports city in the states. They love you when you're good but will throw you under the bus in a second when you start shitting the bed. Coincidently, when he said this shit, he was playing some of his worst football in a while, I mean come on. It was a bullshit defense mechanism to take the heat off of him.
The dude has never been a really accurate QB, but was great because of his ability to make plays on the move. Take away his mobility and hes just slightly above average.
The only thing that could be considered at all racist in the NFL would maybe be the thing someone mentioned about how very few blacks are owners/executives. I think there's two black gm's... the Texan's guy and one other...
Coaches certainly have a fair crack. Every team HAS to interview at least one black dude now. The Niners got fined for this when they hired Nolan iirc, cuz they just went right to him. Purportioniately, there's more than a fair share of black coaches.
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On June 05 2008 02:10 tttt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2008 02:03 Hawk wrote:On June 05 2008 01:59 tttt wrote:On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote:On June 04 2008 18:22 thedeadhaji wrote:
exactly what I was going to say.
Also, their mistakes are typically magnified.
recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. Clemens blows off Make-a-Wish kids. He's a scumbag. Notice I didn't say he's a great dude? He's just not overtly a shithead like Bonds is/was, telling the media to piss off (at least prior to this past year), being a shithead to teamates ,etc. He's definitely not as outwardly antagonistic. I think I'd rather have a beer with Barry, though. Clemens seems like a smug, self satisfied prick. Barry knows he's an ass and just runs with it. I do wish he'd stop with the race card already, though.
Meh, neither of them would be on my people to have a beer with list lol. I think they're both dicks, just in different ways.
On June 05 2008 02:11 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote:On June 04 2008 18:22 thedeadhaji wrote:
exactly what I was going to say.
Also, their mistakes are typically magnified.
recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. Clemens is much more of a scumbag than Bonds. Bonds is just not personable, Clemens actually does bad things. And you're crazy if you think racism is imagined. True, it doesn't get covered properly, but it's there.
I'm not saying it's not there. Of course we've still got plenty of rednecks still who hate people for no other reason than their skin tone.
I'm just saying that the main reason that most peolpe hate him is cuz he's just an unpersonable shithead (or whatever adjective you wanna describe him as) and a very obvious cheater who broke one of baseball's most significant records.
I mean, there's plenty of really good non-whites who have a chance or would have had a chance to break it that people like or love. A-Rod has people already talking about him, and on the whole, I'd say he's a lot more liked than Bonds. If Griffey wasn't hurt every 2 weeks, he'd break it and people pretty much love the dude.
I think this goes for all sports...yes, there is SOME racism present (and there always will be) but it is very much in decline from 30 years ago. It's just that our media blows things wayyyyyyy out of purportion because, hey, controversy sells.
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there's a reason why blacks complain more about race than whites. Kinda makes sense that you'll more often encounter a black writing about it than whites.
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On June 05 2008 02:12 Xeris wrote:
well, just think about what would happen if a white dude wrote an article about racism in sports... he'd probably get mass hate male from ignorant retards who read it calling him a racist.
haha that's a good point, didn't really consider that 
well if a white guy wrote about how there's racial problems and it sucks, would he be labeled a racist despite supporting equalization of color? idk, retards prolly would.
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On June 05 2008 02:17 Hawk wrote:
Coaches certainly have a fair crack. Every team HAS to interview at least one black dude now. The Niners got fined for this when they hired Nolan iirc, cuz they just went right to him. Purportioniately, there's more than a fair share of black coaches.
Plenty of teams take the fine or bring in a black interviewee just to meet the requirement. And it isn't proportional at all. Look at what the Lions have done during their last 3 coaching searches. Look how long it took for Dungy to get a head coaching position when he was one of the top defensive coordinators in the game for a while. The very fact that the NFL had to create a mandate for black coaches to be interviewed showcases that inequality.
I meant racism in general is still alive in the US, not just in sports.
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I agree with you that it's alive in the US, definitely. I think we disagree with just how much. Think it also kinda varies with where we are talking about too. No doubt the NFL mandate was a way to fix inequality. Im just saying shit has improves, tis all~
But back to what I was saying bout purportions, there's four black HC's now, right? (Lovie, Dungy, Crenell and Lewis) out of 32 teams, so a little more than %12. Which is basically where blacks are at precentage wise in terms of national population.
I don't necessarily think that's how we should strive to have things, regulated by a race's population (it should be best man for the job, always, and all those guys are pretty worthy coaches imo), but I think that's it's fair to say they are adaquately represented.
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I've actually used that argument when someone complained about a lack of black congressman (in the House, not Senate) but when we're talking NFL, I think that's a very low % of the people who actually played football.
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Pretty true on that account. But also, just because you were incredibly good at football doesn't mean you're a good coach. Hell, that's the same in all sports. Wayne Gretzky was a god in hockey, but as a coach...not so much ;x.
There's a lot more then knowledge of the game that goes into coaching to, ability to relate to people, charisma, etc, but I'm sure you know this =p
That would actually be a pretty interesting stat to see, the amount of coaches who played pro ball and who just started coaching and moved up. I'm pretty sure Gruden never played pro ball and started coaching at a real young age.
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