There is a guy I work with, he turned 63 this year, great guy, hardest working person I have ever met in my life. But he is a real cynic, he is also very old fashioned, whatever you tell him is wrong, you can't teach him anything because he refuses to listen, he never asks for help, he demands it and if he doesn't get it he gets angry and stressed and claims he has to do everything by him self, but thats just him, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Poor guy has had a very hard life, about 12 years ago his wife died of cancer, he had to take care of her for 2 years before that. Lucky his daughter was old enough to look after her self, she never moved out of the house, I don't think she still has, about 3 months ago he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, I hate to say it because I love the guy, but he is going to die soon, he will never give up though, a comment I remember him saying was "Mate, its in my bones, if it keeps going I will be laying in a bed by the end of the year looking like jelly waiting to die, but not me mate, not me" he was talking about how it wasn't fair why did he have to work hard all his life for it to get to this point, to get to what point?
One thing that will always remain the same in him, is that he has a great heart he has always been there for others in their time of need and he is always there to help you even if you don't appreciate it at the time..
One thing that really angers me is that he has worked hard all his life, he has worked twice the life of the average person but now life won't cut him a fucking break, no no, two years away from retirement, here you go, cancer, you don't have any money? Its ok, we'll take your house as payment for the cancer treatment when you die your daughter gets nothing.
God works in mysteries way? Its not mysteries he's just a fucking asshole. In fact I no longer have faith, we are alone in this life and shit happens.
This is not a trolling attempt, but a serious question to RebelHeart:
Where is your God now?
Sad story, shit just happens I guess. As long as he doesn't regret what he did with his life, it's all ok though. He will most likely be remembered as a more than decent guy buy his co-workers and even more by his daughter.
Don't you guys usually say Jesus loves you no matter what? How do his beliefs make any difference? God is supposed to fogive him for not being a Christian anyway, isn't he?
There is the ol' reliable fallback for questions like this that never result in people questioning their faith. Really, people saying something like "we can't possibly understand God's plan" is no different than George Lucas explaining plot holes in his Starwars films by saying "well, uh, the force, ya know?"
I remember when a good friend of mine lost his dad in a workplace accident - just totally random. The priest at the funeral went on at length about 'god's will' and how we can't understand his plan but he needed this guy in heaven for some reason and we should accept that. All in all, he spent about 30 minutes talking about God and Jesus and about 5 minutes talking about the guy's dad. That was the moment my friend became an athiest.
But this is a sad story. I guess the good news is that he lived to be 63 (and possibly longer). I imagine the years from 60-something to 80-something are some of the less significant of a person's life and given the choice of which 20 years to chop off, those would be the ones.
It's all random; life is random. The shit cards you get dealt have absolutely nothing to do with what you do in life or karma or whatever. Being a good person will help you sleep well at night, will provide you with friends and/or family that cares about you, and perhaps stave off regret as you're lying in your deathbed. That should be enough. Imagine dying at 63 and thinking to yourself "nobody loves me, I'm a prick, and the world is a worse place for having hosted me." Now that'd suck.
There is the ol' reliable fallback for questions like this that never result in people questioning their faith. Really, people saying something like "we can't possibly understand God's plan" is no different than George Lucas explaining plot holes in his Starwars films by saying "well, uh, the force, ya know?"
I remember when a good friend of mine lost his dad in a workplace accident - just totally random. The priest at the funeral went on at length about 'god's will' and how we can't understand his plan but he needed this guy in heaven for some reason and we should accept that. All in all, he spent about 30 minutes talking about God and Jesus and about 5 minutes talking about the guy's dad. That was the moment my friend became an athiest.
But this is a sad story. I guess the good news is that he lived to be 63 (and possibly longer). I imagine the years from 60-something to 80-something are some of the less significant of a person's life and given the choice of which 20 years to chop off, those would be the ones.
It's all random; life is random. The shit cards you get dealt have absolutely nothing to do with what you do in life or karma or whatever. Being a good person will help you sleep well at night, will provide you with friends and/or family that cares about you, and perhaps stave off regret as you're lying in your deathbed. That should be enough. Imagine dying at 63 and thinking to yourself "nobody loves me, I'm a prick, and the world is a worse place for having hosted me." Now that'd suck.
hahah man... i agree on all points. Speaking of Starwars, did you catch the Family Guy spoof yesterday? It was good =o
Similar experience with the priest though... my grandfather died about 10 years back after battling luekemia for 4-5 years. Real shitty way to go btw. Priest pulled the same spiel and I wanted to strangle him.
Same thing with 9/11. Same shitbag priest (along with countless other douchebags nation wide) had no explanation why their God would allow it to happen, so they give the same answer.
The nail in the coffin with the dude was when my dad came down with cancer. Gave the same thing and after that, never even checked up to see how he was, even though my dad used to give thousands a year to that church. Not any more.
I definitely don't need religion to influence me to be a good person however.
On September 24 2007 23:56 Cpt Obvious wrote: This is not a trolling attempt, but a serious question to RebelHeart:
Where is your God now?
Sad story, shit just happens I guess. As long as he doesn't regret what he did with his life, it's all ok though. He will most likely be remembered as a more than decent guy buy his co-workers and even more by his daughter.
Why devote your life to work?
-Do you have a choice?
Why would God help him if he didnt seek his help. Why the hell are you blaming God for? and if we live in a parallel world and he was christian read the book of Job , you cannot know god's plans and what he will do for him which i guarantee its a LOT better, meh im tired of arguing about this on teamliquid anyways i will stop
On September 24 2007 23:56 Cpt Obvious wrote: This is not a trolling attempt, but a serious question to RebelHeart:
Where is your God now?
You Christian bashing is mediocre, it's not funny, just comes off as some lame angry nerd rant. Everytime. Seek consult, preferably from baal or boghot.
I'm sorry to hear that. Does he believe in God? I don't think it's a good idea to not have faith when something bad happens, because the whole purpose of believing in God is to help you in the hard situations.
Yeah because wondering why the fuck that guy gave you cancer after your own wife died years ago from the same disease when all he did was lead a good life and work hard (as far as we know anyway) is gonna make it A WHOLE LOT easier. Jesus, you are retarded. pun very well intended.
you judgmental pricks. if that shit would to happen to you there's no way in hell you will just accept it.
fuck god fuck atheism fuck the grand scheme of things is the people that made him suffer, people like you. you vain fools. i hope you pay x10 for every lie you spewed, for every person you stepped on, you robbed from, you mocked, for every deceit, for every failed promise, for every dream you crushed, for every hope you shattered, for ever...
On September 25 2007 07:00 xM(Z wrote: you judgmental pricks. if that shit would to happen to you there's no way in hell you will just accept it.
fuck god fuck atheism fuck the grand scheme of things is the people that made him suffer, people like you. you vain fools. i hope you pay x10 for every lie you spewed, for every person you stepped on, you robbed from, you mocked, for every deceit, for every failed promise, for every dream you crushed, for every hope you shattered, for ever...
Uhh, who are you referring to? FYI my uncle died of cancer last year, worked as a bus driver all his life. Christians don't just accept it we have to pray for them and do everything we can to help them find peace.
On September 25 2007 06:06 Cpt Obvious wrote: Yeah because wondering why the fuck that guy gave you cancer after your own wife died years ago from the same disease when all he did was lead a good life and work hard (as far as we know anyway) is gonna make it A WHOLE LOT easier. Jesus, you are retarded. pun very well intended.
Cant you speak normally? Jesus, you troll all forums insulting everyone You remind me of this kid
wtf dont blame god if he didnt even believe in him your arguments are pretty stupid imo
On September 25 2007 06:06 Cpt Obvious wrote: Yeah because wondering why the fuck that guy gave you cancer after your own wife died years ago from the same disease when all he did was lead a good life and work hard (as far as we know anyway) is gonna make it A WHOLE LOT easier. Jesus, you are retarded. pun very well intended.
I hope I don't go down like that, cursing God for my life.
Anyway, I don't think it would be so bad to go down like that. It sounds like this guy has worked all his life, but I wonder if hes had the chance to just stop and wonder, why? Why does he work so hard, get up every morning? He obviously does it, but I wonder if he knows why he does it. Now hes going to have a chance to take a break and think about these things.
Honestly, if I thought there was no purpose in doing what I do, I'd probably just kill myself. Its stupid to work every day for no reason. Everyone needs a time to think about these things, and it seems to me like soon he will get his.
The good part about having real struggles in life is that you get to learn more about yourself. To me this is better than dying suddenly, because you have time to reflect on yourself and your life.
Also, I find it ironic god is mentioned now. Its easy to have your little routine and beliefs, but when stuff happens, you begin to really ask the hard questions.
Cpt.Obvious your basically blaming it all and cursing against someone you dont believe exists -_- so you either believe God exist or your straight-up confused/crazy
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