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Physician
United States4146 Posts
when 1/5 ->> 5/5 physician will ascend and enter nirvana state..
Apart from the obvious, like avoid trolling, be polite, strive to add decent content, help out when you can - here are a few considerations for anyone posting in any forum. I try to follow these rules as much as possible even though I do fail them every now and then. Just some advice, nothing new or particular about it but I thought they might help against some trends that can ruin good forums.
1. Don't asked for a thread, that is not yours, to be closed (if you think the thread is really unfair PM a mod, but otherwise resist the temptation with all your heart)
2. Don't ask for some one to be banned (never)
i.e. take the judge robe off.. don't advocate censorship, don't be a phucking snitch, don't be a pussy - if you don't like a thread DON'T READ IT or MOVE ON.. if you don't like someone, ignore or be tolerant - why dwell on it or waste your time? I've always thought people clamoring for bans or thread closings (and it is usually the same sort) are just the classic pussy sniveling snitches you find in life, the weasel, the coward, the guy pointing the finger etc...
3. Avoid insulting other people for no frigging reason or mundane stuff, and if you can't because you were provoked beyond your comfort level, please raise the bar, do right, do it with style.
i.e. be tolerant as far as you can push yourself, no one is perfect, but at least try; don't clutter threads..
4. Never leave a pointless negative comment in the first page of an OP. This can ruin even a decent thread, and if is not a good thread, you ruin the possibility of someone rescuing it..
i.e. if your going to be negative, at least ADD to the thread, try and be constructive in your criticism.
5. Don't treat people with new accounts like shit or assume your better because you have a few more posts.
i.e. I think this is a retarded observation, but I've see it all to often - just because you have a few posts doesn't make you a decent poster, and you definitively do not want to discourage new blood that could end up bringing far more to the forum than you..
6. Get Firefox, install the spell checker and use it.
i.e. it improves the over all quality of the forum, plus your own spelling if you pay attention to the mistakes you repeat.
7. Don't join negative band wagons and don't be a rebel without a cause.
i.e. don't be a sheep, and don't be an idiot.
8. If you see a poor thread, and you have time or interest. Improve it. Rescue it. If you don't - just ignore it.
9*. Lurking for a few weeks or a couple of months until you the feel for the forum is fine, but lurking for years just makes you a selfish member.
i.e. There is no good reason to lurk for months on end; either you are a selfish prick, and are here just to take, or a coward too afraid to post.. also not posting to "get back at teamliquid" just makes you a passive-aggressive lamer. If you are going to spend time here, participate, add, share. No matter the excuse there is got to be something good in you worth sharing. *obvious handicaps excluded (physical and virtual, like getting banned etc.. ).
10. Avoid discussing about the accuracy of the titles of a OP, while at the same time ignoring the actual post.
i.e. When you do this all you are doing is telling everyone you are a shallow idiot that prefers to nit- pick the semantics in a title rather than leave an opinion or discussion on the topic.
Mods sometimes are willing to let a lot of stuff slide, some even want to let it slide but they can't if a whining flame fest starts, so if you are always asking for threads to be closed or people to be banned, not only do you limit the forum content subject matter, and its diversity, but you also screw yourself next time you leave an OP. You definitively don't want a shrinking inbred forum.
Just leave it to the mods to keep things tidy. You want to help? Be constructive about it and don't clutter the threads with pointless complaints, just PM a mod, or use the feedback section, let him/them decide, don't try make it a mob decision, don't be a sheep.
  
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the irony is that those really need to heed to this advice will stop reading after the first paragraph :s
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United States24767 Posts
Number 6 is really important to me haha. I hate when people type poorly. People tell me it doesn't matter so long as I know what they mean, but I'm definitely with you on that one.
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Canada7170 Posts
"Don't crap where you eat"...
I was expecting some medical advice or something.
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Excellent post as usual, good read and surely helpfull for some posters (me included).
how are things going entropy? Long time no see.
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This thread is SO asking to be trolled!
...But I'm not gonna do that 
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Calgary25996 Posts
On September 23 2007 17:53 Cpt Obvious wrote:This thread is SO asking to be trolled! ...But I'm not gonna do that
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You are loosing touch obvious! 
And let's all shape up our posting habbits.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
added number #9.. forgot about that - there is a ton of number 9 in the last category.. man up lurks!
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I kind of disagree with #9....I mean imo the worst possible thing someone can do is spam. If you troll you get banned, but people writing pointless comments just causes other people to read those comments for no reason. It just seems like basic etiquette....maybe the internet is different than real life (where people talking for the sake of talking is rude).
+ Show Spoiler +personally I think I post too much
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This is great stuff. It's such a shame that TL can't behave in a civil manner.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
# fight_or_flight well.. advocating the other extreme is not the point, no spam is tacit, part of the obvious stuff.. but #9 is mainly a complaint or call for those guys that visit t.net daily for years and never bother registering or that do register but add nothing even with years of visiting the site and enjoying what it has to offer i.e. every now and then, even if you are a lurker, take the time, make the effort, and give something back to the sites that feed you.
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BUMP!
This obviously didn't get enough attention and I just got linked to it. There's definitely somethings from here I will try to improve from now on. One thing I regret big time is lurking, even if it was only for like 6 months...
Great write up by Physician!
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loll "Don't crap where you eat" What a horrible analogy
I mean sure it's not clique like don't bite the hand that feeds you BUT come on !
I don't even care about what u wrote that title is just so offputting WOWW.....
+ Show Spoiler +just kidding^^ Nice article, i liked the rebel without a cause. drove it home for me loll
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If we shouldn't ask for people to be banned, then what's the point of this smiley? 
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
this smiley!
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no one adheres to all of those advice. and if you notice, some of the guys who have their names in blue(not sure what that means)have behaved pretty badly too.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
added # 10:
- there is way to many of these examples and lots of thread have been lost/derailed lost to what is the right title arguments lol
10. Avoid discussing about the accuracy of the titles of a OP, while at the same time ignoring the actual post.
i.e. When you do this all you are doing is telling everyone you are a shallow idiot that prefers to nit- pick the semantics in a title rather than leave an opinion or discussion on the topic.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On December 17 2008 11:01 gg_hertzz wrote:
no one adheres to all of those advice. and if you notice, some of the guys who have their names in blue(not sure what that means)have behaved pretty badly too.
hum many actually do, I've broken my own rules a few times, but I can probably use one hand to count the times I did and I usually feel bad about it after anyway and do an edit correction - that's how I got my wonderful lovely blue ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/images/forum/star.gif) (despite the fact that some mods would rather see me eat it than wear it.. lol)
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Physician, your thread is ghey and you should be banned and this thread closed . you use too many commas and semi-colons in your posts you n00b learn how 2 write. i mean why should we listen to you? you've only got 3400~ posts n00b, if i tried i would have >9000 by now. and by the way, the title for you blog is retrded cuz the almighty TL doesn't feed me.
+ Show Spoiler +also i use netscape and lurked for more than a year, LEARN HOW 2 USE THE INTERNETZ N00B!!!
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+ Show Spoiler +Damn, I missed the first page  I fail.
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On January 07 2009 15:20 Mooga wrote:Physician, your thread is ghey and you should be banned and this thread closed . you use too many commas and semi-colons in your posts you n00b learn how 2 write. i mean why should we listen to you? you've only got 3400~ posts n00b, if i tried i would have >9000 by now. and by the way, the title for you blog is retrded cuz the almighty TL doesn't feed me. + Show Spoiler +also i use netscape and lurked for more than a year, LEARN HOW 2 USE THE INTERNETZ N00B!!! Edit: + Show Spoiler +Damn, I missed the first page I fail.
and ironically this thread was meant for you. (you should read the advice in OP; you did exactly opposite! haha)
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On January 08 2009 00:14 artofmagic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2009 15:20 Mooga wrote:Physician, your thread is ghey and you should be banned and this thread closed . you use too many commas and semi-colons in your posts you n00b learn how 2 write. i mean why should we listen to you? you've only got 3400~ posts n00b, if i tried i would have >9000 by now. and by the way, the title for you blog is retrded cuz the almighty TL doesn't feed me. + Show Spoiler +also i use netscape and lurked for more than a year, LEARN HOW 2 USE THE INTERNETZ N00B!!! Edit: + Show Spoiler +Damn, I missed the first page I fail. and ironically this thread was meant for you. (you should read the advice in OP; you did exactly opposite! haha) I think that was intentional 
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On January 07 2009 15:20 Mooga wrote:Physician, your thread is ghey and you should be banned and this thread closed . you use too many commas and semi-colons in your posts you n00b learn how 2 write. i mean why should we listen to you? you've only got 3400~ posts n00b, if i tried i would have >9000 by now. and by the way, the title for you blog is retrded cuz the almighty TL doesn't feed me. + Show Spoiler +also i use netscape and lurked for more than a year, LEARN HOW 2 USE THE INTERNETZ N00B!!! Edit: + Show Spoiler +Damn, I missed the first page I fail.
- it made me chuckle
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fine... I will stop lurkering jeez...
+ Show Spoiler +yeah right ^_^... I will try at least, anyway nice reading though probably it is pointless I hope life probe me wrong...
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On January 08 2009 04:40 kawoq wrote:fine... I will stop lurkering jeez... + Show Spoiler +yeah right ^_^... I will try at least, anyway nice reading though probably it is pointless I hope life probe me wrong...
wow! 61 post with a 2005 account!! lol.. plz do! old school is most welcomed
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I agree with a lot of this, especially point #2 and #10. I have felt in the past that people that ask for others to be banned is almost their own way of trying to show their own "superiority" and trying to prove themselves. I do disagree with #9 however...
9*. Lurking for a few weeks or a couple of months until you the feel for the forum is fine, but lurking for years just makes you a selfish member.
i.e. There is no good reason to lurk for months on end; either you are a selfish prick, and are here just to take, or a coward too afraid to post.. also not posting to "get back at teamliquid" just makes you a passive-aggressive lamer. If you are going to spend time here, participate, add, share. No matter the excuse there is got to be something good in you worth sharing. *obvious handicaps excluded (physical and virtual, like getting banned etc.. ).
I can definitely see your point, saying that others basically going to this site for 6 years and barely posting (as have I) is unacceptable because you are basically being someone that doesn't contribute while others take their time to post. You do have to look at the other side of things though...
First of all, just by entering this site you are contributing (you see that Google ad space there? I am pretty sure that TLNet gets more money the more people that visit their site from that ad space, and that that ad space pays a LOT (if not all) for this site... correct me if I am wrong though ).
I disagree with your premise that people are being selfish if they don't post here though. It's kind of like as if you went to a dinner table, and someone who was maybe shy, and kept to themselves, was quiet during most of the dinner talk, and then you saying they're selfish. They're probably not selfish, just quiet. Sure these people might be "coward[s] that are too afraid to post," but what does that matter? Sure they might "feed" off of your contributions to this forum by only ever taking the time to read them and nothing more, but posting good posts is a reward in itself: You get a lot of community respect, you meet new people and make new friends, and you get the lounge after a while of posting
I think, in fact, that a lot of people here could use a good ol' "does what I am about to say really matter?" or "will what I am about to say really make a difference to the topic?" and if it doesn't, then don't post it. Our forums would be a lot cleaner then, and would be much easier for the moderators I'm sure T_T. There's way too many one liners, and stupid posts being posted on these forums. If anything, the people that are selfish are the ones that make these posts in attempt to get the attention and community respect I was referring to earlier, and if you want one example: Lastshadow. Do you want really every poster to be like him?
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This is a good post, I missed it first time around.
I myself adhere to all/most of its advises from the start and I do really try to rescue threads and save the diversities.
lately I've been posting on Teamfortress2 forum, and unfortunately, I feel that forum is a much better place than this one where people actually think before posting, and are more mannered instead of hostile.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On January 09 2009 11:32 evanthebouncy! wrote:
This is a good post, I missed it first time around.
I myself adhere to all/most of its advises from the start and I do really try to rescue threads and save the diversities.
lately I've been posting on Teamfortress2 forum, and unfortunately, I feel that forum is a much better place than this one where people actually think before posting, and are more mannered instead of hostile.
link? http://www.teamfortress2fort.com ? but there is no StarCraft!
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
ColdLava I understand your points about #9, but they are not enough in my humble opinion - visiting the site and making a few posts per year is just not enough - staying for the most part silent during 6 years of free dinners is just not manner man. For me it's not just a site, it's also a community. It would be the difference between dinner at home with friends and people you know with that of a homeless Dinner, were people come and go, most don't know each other and all you hear is coughing, the sound of forks and plates. : ) -
+ Show Spoiler + I don't really have any problem with lastshadow the person or forum member, now on battle.net, that's a different issue lol
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Just following a link to this blog, and I feel a bit bad about bumping it as it obivously doesn't really add anything useful to what is currently stated in the rules (with it being four years old). Still, I just wanted to set things straight about lurkers, where I feel the advice or imperative provided by Physician is a bit misguided.
ColdLava made part of my point already. Be lurking and not posting when you don't feel it's worthwhile, you will often be doing us a favour. For the love of God - we don't want people to post when they don't feel like it. Don't encourage this - doing so, you wouldn't really have thought it through. Just look at all the complaining from old members during the influx of people when Starcraft 2 came around. While the site had established a community of people who came back because they liked the site, found a role with the site and had become fully part of the culture here, suddenly it become filled with people who posted randomly without all this knowledge and experience. This meant that the quality of posting generally fell, at least if you believe many of the regulars voicing their concerns over this. Many of the people who have stuck around since then have gotten used to what's required of them and how they can best contribute.
So, many people posting isn't necessarily a good thing. If all topics end up being 90 pages that you don't feel like reading because they are full with one-liners, stupid jokes, thoughtless comments, off-topic remarks, then it doesn't make these forums any better. However, if people only post when it's really worthwhile, then the more visiting to the site, the more potential for it to be great. A big part of Teamliquid's appeal is that whatever is discussed or talked about here has the attention of many thousand people from countries all over the world, of people of all kind. All the people viewing the site, not yet having made their first comment, still contribute to this. They make Teamliquid important, make it significant, and they have the chance of joining in whenever they feel it's relevant. Some of the best posts I've seen here are by so-called "lurkers", who after a few years find something that urges them to post and they make a long, thoughtful and elaborate post about it.
No doubt that if this place was deserted, we would be more desperate for people to join in more frequently. However, I have frequented these forums since 2003 and I don't ever remember them being deserted, so I doubt this could have been what prompted Physician's "rule" (rather, from the sound of it, it is his attempt at establishing a communal feeling similar to a physical one on the internet).
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