• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:11
CEST 13:11
KST 20:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch0[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)89ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo39Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) https://www.facebook.com/Arthrovit.Arthritis.Pain. Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? ProGamer Paychecks Story Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8038 users

Analysis: Silver's ZvT on Monty Hall (Spoilers)

Blogs > GTR-2-Go
Post a Reply
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51629 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-07 15:36:36
July 07 2007 15:36 GMT
#1
+ Show Spoiler [Warning Results Inside] +

After dismantling BoxeR in the ACE match today with his brilliant strategy, I will analyse his particular special build order.

So, as most of us know it, Monty Hall is not great of a Zerg Map. What Silver demonstrated was brilliance though.

Let's take a look closely at his build order.

Silver will usually push two drones through the top lane. Silver will then scout for either a fast expansion or a normal build. A normal build would make Silver go pool first. A fast expansion build would make Silver go for 3 hatcheries before a pool (one in the opponents middle lane, one near his own main).

The genius of the strategy is that Silver abuses the mineral walls. If I am correct, the mineral walls are around 64 each, which means 8 mines of a worker each. That takes alot of time, considering there are 4-6 minerals in the wall. With Silver offensively expanding, he takes the advantage that the Terran cannot mine through the middle because of sunken placement and cannot attack with marines because of range. The terran must wait until tanks or use dropships to get through.

While Silver is powering, he goes for both a Spire and Queens Nest, adding a Hydralisk Den during that process. He uses Mutalisks to harass as usual like in a normal ZvT. While he does this, he proceeds to abuse his 3 gas advantage, and go mass hydralisks to uses his minerals, while morphing his mutalisks to guardians after he tech's up.

Silver would then pop his guardians to harass, while his drones at the offensive expansion would mine out the mineral wall. Silver uses the range of the guardians smartly to kill any units trying to stop the mining. Silver would then charge all of his hydralisks, meaning that most of the time, any force that the Terran would amass, be decimated.

So, what is the only way of countering this? The terran could try obviously scouting earlier to adapt to this situation. The terran could also try expanding to the middle lane himself, but would the strategy have the same effect if done in the other lanes? I personally believe that dropship play would be the best though, but what about scourges? Your screwed! So we'll leave this for discsussion.


****
Commentator
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
July 07 2007 16:17 GMT
#2
+ Show Spoiler +
yeah this game was good and it seemed like an amazing counter to the 14cc build boxer did

for some reason i still feel like boxer was just a little too slow and maybe if he had teched for vessels just a little bit faster or delayed guards a little longer, saved a tank or so, built a bunker, wraiths faster, i don't know

nice evolution of the old guard/hydra strat by silver though, and boxer too played well but disappointingly not well enough
UMS map pack http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50442
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9048 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-07 18:58:55
July 07 2007 18:57 GMT
#3
+ Show Spoiler +
no strategy is perfect , there must be a way to counter this , maybe fast scout and kill that drone with SCVs ..
Klaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Ireland334 Posts
July 07 2007 19:43 GMT
#4
fast scout + 3-4 marines through the mineral line would do it.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 07 2007 20:02 GMT
#5
he already used it vs shine before in pantech vs sparkyz
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
July 07 2007 22:16 GMT
#6
On July 08 2007 05:02 Carnac wrote:
he already used it vs shine before in pantech vs sparkyz

Yeah I remember that
[iHs]SSP | I-NO-KI BOM-BA-YE | のヮの http://tinyurl.com/MLIStheCV , MLIS.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 08 2007 01:33 GMT
#7
I imagine a proxy factory in one of the side lanes would screw over Silver's timing, or even pushing a marine through the middle mineral line before the sunkens are up.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
S6 Korea Server Qualifier
Zoun vs YoungYakovLIVE!
TBD vs Percival
TBD vs NightMare
Ryung 1221
CranKy Ducklings201
CranKy Ducklings SOOP7
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 1221
SortOf 255
Lowko195
ProTech144
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34204
Calm 12918
firebathero 820
Horang2 781
actioN 460
Hyuk 415
Jaedong 320
Mini 245
Leta 184
Light 154
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 141
JulyZerg 126
Rush 101
Hyun 80
Pusan 80
Snow 71
ToSsGirL 56
Soulkey 53
ggaemo 51
Killer 42
Free 32
hero 31
Movie 28
[sc1f]eonzerg 27
JYJ 26
yabsab 21
scan(afreeca) 20
Bale 14
Hm[arnc] 14
IntoTheRainbow 13
sorry 13
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
XaKoH 478
Dendi89
League of Legends
JimRising 438
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1638
shoxiejesuss919
x6flipin471
kRYSTAL_62
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King103
Other Games
crisheroes246
Pyrionflax216
B2W.Neo214
BEARDiaguz15
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick691
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream349
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota252
League of Legends
• Jankos1779
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
5h 50m
Bombastic Starleague
8h 50m
PiGosaur Cup
12h 50m
Kung Fu Cup
23h 50m
Replay Cast
1d 12h
CrankTV Team League
1d 23h
Bombastic Starleague
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-29
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.