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RebelHeart
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DeadVessel
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RebelHeart
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On June 25 2007 07:21 DeadVessel wrote: you're christian but want to get with a lesbian chick. WTF!? read my post... i'm not a Christian  Edit: note the title refers to Christian musician in the sense that Christian music is a genre of music, rather than myself considering myself as a Christian | ||
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DeadVessel
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Myrmidon
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On a side note, this is what I thought of first before I started reading the post... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.comedycentral.com/press/images/southpark/709ChristianRockHard2.jpg) | ||
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RebelHeart
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On June 25 2007 12:18 Myrmidon wrote: So in other words, you're still spiritually attuned to Christianity and some of the core ideals in some form but feel separated from accepted doctrine? So is your motivation behind this a desire to create music, spread a message of some sort, make money, or what else and what combination? On a side note, this is what I thought of first before I started reading the post... + Show Spoiler + it's complicated  basically Christianity isn't as black and white as the official Church doctrines (eg. Jesus being the answer to our lack of contentment in life). but there are values i really respect, such as being good to our neighbours and doing things for third world countries etc.the reason i want to be a musician is 'cos it'd be a lot more fun than being say a lawyer (which is what my degree is in) or keep working my part-time job at the supermarket, but also i could make a bigger difference to the world (eg. politically, or through encouraging kids to be more socially aware) if i was able to become famous | ||
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hasuprotoss
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RebelHeart
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On June 25 2007 21:27 hasuprotoss wrote: You believe that Jesus Christ was the Savior sent by God, but you aren't a Christian. A Paradoxxx all in itself. no i don't actually, in fact how about you explain that concept in itself? you'll probably say something along the lines of, because we're all sinners God sent His Son down to take the punishment for our sins. i don't know about you but that's really bad theology in my opinion (the whole sacrificial lamb interpretation). i focus more on the 'Godly' values Jesus teaches people (eg. to change yourself so that you aren't selfish etc), and would still find that the basis for following Him even if He didn't die as a sacrifice. Christians generally say well that's no different from saying "Jesus was a good man", and that it's the fact that Christianity has a Savior which makes it different from other religions, but well, you really gotta be kidding yourself to rationalise God as being so limited in that way anyway, what's with people and their need for setting up strawmen arguments? i've thought about it enough to come to my own conclusions without needing someone telling me what i do and don't know about Christianity and whether or not i'm a Christian | ||
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DeadVessel
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On June 25 2007 19:53 RebelHeart wrote: it's complicated basically Christianity isn't as black and white as the official Church doctrines (eg. Jesus being the answer to our lack of contentment in life). but there are values i really respect, such as being good to our neighbours and doing things for third world countries etc.the reason i want to be a musician is 'cos it'd be a lot more fun than being say a lawyer (which is what my degree is in) or keep working my part-time job at the supermarket, but also i could make a bigger difference to the world (eg. politically, or through encouraging kids to be more socially aware) if i was able to become famous Actually yes it is as black and white as that. If you're a Christian you believe Jesus is the answer. That's why it's called Christianity. | ||
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RebelHeart
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On June 26 2007 06:43 DeadVessel wrote: Actually yes it is as black and white as that. If you're a Christian you believe Jesus is the answer. That's why it's called Christianity. hmm, well i kinda think people who believe that are kidding themselves, it's usually a front for when they meet new non-Christians, but after you get to know them better they start sharing their doubts, worries and sufferings in life with you. not that Jesus doesn't help them with their lives, but clearly isn't the complete answer | ||
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DeadVessel
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RebelHeart
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have you read the book of Job? why do you think that if we are accountable to a Holy Book, that God wouldn't give us a choice as to whether or not we wanted to be created in the first place? for example, if you were in a contractual relationship with someone, then they have the choice as to whether or not they want to enter it in the first place. however, we as humans do not have that choice - we are already bound by the contract (that we were created by God and therefore belong to Him - God's response to Job after his complaints), and if we choose not to honour it then (Jesus' parables - the bondservants and the bridesmaids) we go to Hell a real choice would be that we could not become Christians, and not have God determine our ending. so for example we would die and not go to Heaven or Hell. it's not about our own choice not wanting to go to Heaven (as many Christians phrase the non-Christian approach), but rather not wanting to go to Hell if i made a contract with you saying you must pay me $100 (ie. a Christian life), and i will provide goods for you in return (reward of Heaven), but that if you fail to meet the payment (live a life of sin) i will punish you with debt penalty interest (thrown into the Lake of Fire on Judgment Day). the only choice you have is either to satisfy the contract or not, you do not have the option of not entering it in the first place now wouldn't that be inherently unfair, if you didn't want to enter that contract in the first place? we do not get to choose to be born, who we are when we were born, what we looked like, where we are born, the kind of world we would be born into, etc. yet already have an obligation to God. that is a forced relationship, it's not black and white because you have left out factors of duress and non-existent free will. it would be black and white if say God said, you have a choice to come under my judgment, and only when you choose to do that will you be subject to my judgment. that is not the case, we have to either go to Heaven or Hell whether we like it or not. we have to live our (in some cases happy, in other cases longsuffering) lives with consequences whether we like it or not | ||
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