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Solstice245
Profile Joined September 2015
United States145 Posts
May 16 2016 21:58 GMT
#21
Hold up people. Can someone please tell me the what heck the "cave" is?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 16 2016 22:28 GMT
#22
On May 17 2016 06:58 Solstice245 wrote:
Hold up people. Can someone please tell me the what heck the "cave" is?


It's a Skype group frequented by many mapmakers.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 15:13:20
May 17 2016 06:45 GMT
#23
On May 17 2016 05:55 Avexyli wrote:
I don't have interest in joining that environment. I would rather create my own.
You are going to have a hard time finding a name to top off "THE cave".. on the other hand it is not going to be hard to find people to join you..

What I think .. what I have learned
What you think:
you are exactly like them (could sound funny since you don't even realize it, but it isn't)!
What you have learned:
nothing!
"not enough rights"
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 15:16:03
May 17 2016 15:14 GMT
#24
Let me help more (since no one asked me to) : it is a simple gesture that is lacking from any of these interactions.

People owning to what they did and asking for forgiveness. Then, anything is possible. Without, only pathos ensues.

You did what you accuse them of doing, so you have just as must to ask for than they do.
Funny how things turn out and never end...
"not enough rights"
Avexyli
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States711 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 16:59:33
May 17 2016 16:57 GMT
#25
CTRL+Fing I do not see a single "I'm sorry for being a complete jackoff to you in the cave". I never received apologies, instead I was always put as the one of blame. Not once did I see a request for forgiveness.

And excuse me? How am I "just like them"? I do not cry about not getting money for my work, I do not shove down new mapmakers and treat them as lesser people - infact I have historically aided new or returning mapmakers whenever approached. As far as I know, I was the only one who wanted to be a part of your podcast you brought up some months ago that never ended up happening.

I also do not go out of my way on non-drama posts and create drama out of it as was done on this blog post.
AVEX - Multi Winner, Finalist, Judge of the TeamLiquid Map Contests, Former SC:EVO Enviroment Artist & Multiplayer Game Design
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
May 18 2016 22:14 GMT
#26
On May 17 2016 05:55 Avexyli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 08:02 Uvantak wrote:
On May 16 2016 02:01 Avexyli wrote:
On May 15 2016 16:14 Uvantak wrote:
On May 15 2016 15:44 Avexyli wrote:
On May 15 2016 14:57 Uvantak wrote:
On May 15 2016 14:23 Avex wrote:the fact that there really aren't guides that would help people learn..

You are not serious, are you?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/381942-mappers-index



Yeah, because people definitely want to read days worth of stuff.

Text-based guides are really outdated in the age of YouTube and Twitch. Come on KTV, you aren't serious, are you?

I'm sorry, my mind simply cannot bear with this, are you seriously dismissing years out of work of the very same extremely passionate people that helped build this entire community because they are not on Youtube?! Nice
way to honor the work and ingenuity of all those that came before you.

Also, Meavis has a very damn good guide on how to create maps from scratch on his Twitch profile, but I guess you will dismiss that too because you simply don't like the guy right?

I'm very sad to see you behave like this.


I never said I was discrediting the information that was given. The information is legitimate in all means and I did use some of those guides.

However, there has been countless amounts of data supporting that humans all have different preferences to a style of learning. You have visual learners, those who enjoy watch someone else do it, you have those who are auditory, those who like to listen as such through lecture, audi-visual, a combination of both, such as a video, those who learn by reading and writing such as taking notes and processing the information, as well as kinesthetic or learning by doing.

There's also evidence to support this style of learning:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Note how active the latter three are. This is why live commentary, stream discussion, etc is so effective.


Wait, you want people to take that extra time out of their lives, which they already are doing so because they are making tutorials for other people and you are saying that their work is simply not enough and that they need to do it in video form? Do you realize what you are talking about? The great majority of these tutorials are not only made by people who at the time had nor real background on streaming because streaming if you are not aware of it, was really hard at the time, and it required a considerable amount of time to set up and get comfortable doing it, which would have taken time from the other things said people were doing, like you know actually making maps, practicing SC or socializing, jobs or college?

Again to me it seems that you are out of reality asking other people to go the extra mile just because you don't like to read, of course it also goes without mention that you haven't even addressed the Video tutorials that Meavis made because those again, apparently don't fit your mental narrative.

Avex, I'm sorry, but we are not here to hold your hand and take hours upon hours of our lives to teach every little thing to you, not because we are mean people, but because most of the time we are simply not able to, we have things to do, we are not paid for this, therefore we need to find another way to get an income to live. If you are able to spend all your day making maps, that's cool, but I and the great majority of the guys can't, therefore the time we can spend on it has to be focused well.

You know how sometimes you would ask me stuff on Skype and it would take me time, even sometimes a day to answer? Well that's not because I'm a mean guy that wants you to not learn anything, but because I have got other shit to do. Yet time and time again I tried my best to answer, even if I knew that your answer would be a "Why does the SC engine needs to be so backwards and buggy?", or something that had already been responded hundreds of times over in the Simple Questions Thread or Mapster.

Please, put your feet back on the ground, because as it stands you are being a entitled asshole asking for other people to put effort into things for you and masquerading them as if they were for the common good. We are doing what we can to improve things, just like we always have. Now if that's not enough for you, well, time to start spending your own time creating tutorials instead of bitching about that there are not enough Youtube videos.

Sorry for the rant on your own blog, but come on man, don't behave like a manchild.



I, what?

It seems like you completely missed my point.

I'm not dismissing the guides or the people who made them or the information within each guide.


Except that you are?

On May 15 2016 14:23 Avex wrote:
the fact that there really aren't guides that would help people learn..


And then you said that;


On May 15 2016 15:44 Avexyli wrote:
Yeah, because people definitely want to read days worth of stuff.

Text-based guides are really outdated in the age of YouTube and Twitch. Come on KTV, you aren't serious, are you?


Come on man, step up to your own bs.

Sorry I'll have to cut my answer short, but skimming through your post, did you had Albatoss copy/paste stuff from the cave? I thought that you guys where in bad terms with each other, but anyhow, I don't really care about Dota talk, that's up to the other guys, and your exaggerations of people "not talking about maps when I want them to" or that "We literally never talk about maps" that's not really worthy of discussion, the cave is not a 100% serious place if you haven't noticed, but wherever, You seem lost in your own mental universe just like Baskerville, but again, I don't really care as long as you don't go around slandering things like the Mapper's Index and stuff like that.

Anyhow, regarding the Mapper's index, I get the sense that you did not know about it? Really? I mean the thing is stickied on the custom maps section, it should be very visible, I even put it on my own small site as a blog forwarding to the TL thread some time ago. Maybe that's a place that could be improved upon?
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | KTVMaps.wordpress.com | Check my profile to see my TL map threads, and you can search for KTV in the Custom Games section to play them.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 22:57:29
May 18 2016 22:47 GMT
#27
in your own mental universe

Yes .. that applies to you very well.

i live in the real world.. next time when you insult people you might realize just how bad you are/were and look to apologize to these people (including me) even if your own fear makes you cower more and more...

i say "look to" because i don't see myself accepting a back hand apology from a kid that disrespected me in front of dozens of "helpless" people (from the "cave")..

i'll pass on the helplessness of said "cave members", some of which have responsibilities on this website i am humbly allowed to use..

"not serious" .. your cave? all about fun and mapmaking your "cave"?
When i was invited by someone who disliked me .. i got INSULTED and pointed at like in a 1700ies play

..look it up, the world insult in a dictionary i mean.. you'll learn something (maybe)?

Don't ever paint yourself as anything other than a bad kid who likes to pick on people.. people like you make people like avex!

Insulting me further ..

On May 19 2016 07:14 Uvantak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 17 2016 05:55 Avexyli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2016 08:02 Uvantak wrote:
On May 16 2016 02:01 Avexyli wrote:
On May 15 2016 16:14 Uvantak wrote:
On May 15 2016 15:44 Avexyli wrote:
On May 15 2016 14:57 Uvantak wrote:
On May 15 2016 14:23 Avex wrote:the fact that there really aren't guides that would help people learn..

You are not serious, are you?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/381942-mappers-index



Yeah, because people definitely want to read days worth of stuff.

Text-based guides are really outdated in the age of YouTube and Twitch. Come on KTV, you aren't serious, are you?

I'm sorry, my mind simply cannot bear with this, are you seriously dismissing years out of work of the very same extremely passionate people that helped build this entire community because they are not on Youtube?! Nice
way to honor the work and ingenuity of all those that came before you.

Also, Meavis has a very damn good guide on how to create maps from scratch on his Twitch profile, but I guess you will dismiss that too because you simply don't like the guy right?

I'm very sad to see you behave like this.


I never said I was discrediting the information that was given. The information is legitimate in all means and I did use some of those guides.

However, there has been countless amounts of data supporting that humans all have different preferences to a style of learning. You have visual learners, those who enjoy watch someone else do it, you have those who are auditory, those who like to listen as such through lecture, audi-visual, a combination of both, such as a video, those who learn by reading and writing such as taking notes and processing the information, as well as kinesthetic or learning by doing.

There's also evidence to support this style of learning:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Note how active the latter three are. This is why live commentary, stream discussion, etc is so effective.


Wait, you want people to take that extra time out of their lives, which they already are doing so because they are making tutorials for other people and you are saying that their work is simply not enough and that they need to do it in video form? Do you realize what you are talking about? The great majority of these tutorials are not only made by people who at the time had nor real background on streaming because streaming if you are not aware of it, was really hard at the time, and it required a considerable amount of time to set up and get comfortable doing it, which would have taken time from the other things said people were doing, like you know actually making maps, practicing SC or socializing, jobs or college?

Again to me it seems that you are out of reality asking other people to go the extra mile just because you don't like to read, of course it also goes without mention that you haven't even addressed the Video tutorials that Meavis made because those again, apparently don't fit your mental narrative.

Avex, I'm sorry, but we are not here to hold your hand and take hours upon hours of our lives to teach every little thing to you, not because we are mean people, but because most of the time we are simply not able to, we have things to do, we are not paid for this, therefore we need to find another way to get an income to live. If you are able to spend all your day making maps, that's cool, but I and the great majority of the guys can't, therefore the time we can spend on it has to be focused well.

You know how sometimes you would ask me stuff on Skype and it would take me time, even sometimes a day to answer? Well that's not because I'm a mean guy that wants you to not learn anything, but because I have got other shit to do. Yet time and time again I tried my best to answer, even if I knew that your answer would be a "Why does the SC engine needs to be so backwards and buggy?", or something that had already been responded hundreds of times over in the Simple Questions Thread or Mapster.

Please, put your feet back on the ground, because as it stands you are being a entitled asshole asking for other people to put effort into things for you and masquerading them as if they were for the common good. We are doing what we can to improve things, just like we always have. Now if that's not enough for you, well, time to start spending your own time creating tutorials instead of bitching about that there are not enough Youtube videos.

Sorry for the rant on your own blog, but come on man, don't behave like a manchild.



I, what?

It seems like you completely missed my point.

I'm not dismissing the guides or the people who made them or the information within each guide.


Except that you are?

On May 15 2016 14:23 Avex wrote:
the fact that there really aren't guides that would help people learn..


And then you said that;


On May 15 2016 15:44 Avexyli wrote:
Yeah, because people definitely want to read days worth of stuff.

Text-based guides are really outdated in the age of YouTube and Twitch. Come on KTV, you aren't serious, are you?


Come on man, step up to your own bs.

Sorry I'll have to cut my answer short, but skimming through your post, did you had Albatoss copy/paste stuff from the cave? I thought that you guys where in bad terms with each other, but anyhow, I don't really care about Dota talk, that's up to the other guys, and your exaggerations of people "not talking about maps when I want them to" or that "We literally never talk about maps" that's not really worthy of discussion, the cave is not a 100% serious place if you haven't noticed, but wherever,
You seem lost in your own mental universe just like Baskerville, + Show Spoiler +
but again, I don't really care as long as you don't go around slandering things like the Mapper's Index and stuff like that.

Anyhow, regarding the Mapper's index, I get the sense that you did not know about it? Really? I mean the thing is stickied on the custom maps section, it should be very visible, I even put it on my own small site as a blog forwarding to the TL thread some time ago. Maybe that's a place that could be improved upon?

is not the least of your dumb moves but since you obviously just don't get it = more power to you!
"not enough rights"
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-19 15:28:29
May 19 2016 15:00 GMT
#28
Hey guys I'm bringing the popcorn

I love how 5 words in a answer to avex spurred a wall of text from Baskerville. Don't be so easily provoked man. Why would a guy living on the other side of the planet think of you would matter to you? (Damn that was a hard sentence to write) He has no effect in your life.
Search "[SO]" on B.net to find all my maps ||| Cloud Kingdom / Turbo Cruise '84 / Bone Temple / Eternal Empire / Zen / Purity and Industry / Golden Wall / Fortitude / Beckett Industries / Waterfall
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-19 20:12:19
May 19 2016 19:57 GMT
#29
On May 20 2016 00:00 Superouman wrote:
Why would what a guy living on the other side of the planet think of you matter to you?

Semantics matter!

ps: I hold absolutely no interest in confrontation with anyone.
As a matter of fact none of the people in said skype cave call hold any interest for me since they were culprits or silent accomplices ..for the ones actually present during my "welcoming wagon" hazing.
.
This "not caring" does include not letting them get away with what they did / do!
this did not change me, I would do the same for any wrong doing anywhere.

Just to be clear .. not one out of the several dozens of people in that chat have made any attempt to say they were sorry of any of it.

mereel who invited me under false pretenses

templar

meavis

blabla friggin plexa was in that call..
If I may go so far.. you are/were in that skype call dear super ou man!

oooooh you weren't actually there..!

bla bla bla

Not one!
"not enough rights"
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
May 19 2016 22:40 GMT
#30
--- Nuked ---
Avexyli
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States711 Posts
May 20 2016 16:19 GMT
#31
I'm not even gunna bother so put your popcorn away.
AVEX - Multi Winner, Finalist, Judge of the TeamLiquid Map Contests, Former SC:EVO Enviroment Artist & Multiplayer Game Design
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