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Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 02:41:32
April 19 2016 00:38 GMT
#1
What's up guys! This is former terran progamer Rain aka : TSLRain, FnaticRain (Please don't get confused with SKT Rain)

Before reading this, I would like to let you know that English is my 2nd language, and I suck with grammars so please take into consideration. Also, it would be appreciated if you let me know if something is grammatically wrong or sounds hella weird.

I'm a bit cautious writing this because I know that people are very sensitive when it comes to the balance of the game. So, please think that everything is my personal idea and feel free to leave a comment if you disagree with my ideas =]

I did not really play LotV after it came out because I did not like the idea of starting with 12 workers instead of 6, I tried out campaigns and off-raced on ladder a few times a month, and that was it.

However, recently I figured out this game is quite fun to play, and as my MMR goes up, I realized that I cannot really win with my off-races, so I started to play Terran. Basically I'm new in this game, and I want to share my first impression of the game.
I played about 200 games with Terran on ladder. I changed my account name to Minou from FnaticRain cause I got sick of people asking me if I am SKTRain.
[image loading]


In this blog, I wanna talk about the different between WoL + HotS and LotV, little bit about, and how I feel about the game.

Starting with 12 workers prevents lots of early strategies such as 11/11 proxy 2 raxs and some kind of unusual stuff. I was good at these kind of stuff back in WoL so, I didn't like it at first. Yea but there are still decent amount of aggressive semi all-in style strategies, which makes the game more interesting.

I believe LotV is more balanced than other 2 previous series, it is more skill based and most importantly it's more fun to play.



TvT is my favorite match up since WoL, and I strongly believe it is all about pure skills.

There aren't not too many things to do in the early game, you can either go for standard reaper opening, or gas first. I rarely see people going for fast 2nd gas, skip the reaper, and do some kinda semi all-in 1/1/1.

You can do some sort of mind games with a reaper in early games, if you don't want to do it you can leave your reaper at the ramp with a marine. Losing reaper is crucial in early games, so be careful with that.

After the reaper phase, it's pretty easy to expect what your opponent is going to do, because most of the time your opponents are going to play defensively ex) tanks and vikings or try to harass with some kinda drops or banshees

Mid-late game is about your army positioning, try to take tactical spots with tank-medivac. Marines are significantly less important compare to WoL or HotS. (Back in WoL the most important thing in TvT was having a superior marine upgrades than your opponent and tanks were not as effective as it is right now).



TvZ is pretty much about which player has better macro. Early game is pretty much the same every time, 90% of the time, zergs will go hatch first then 8 lings, terrans gonna go for reaper expend and try do some damage or delay 3rd of zerg's(Most of the time, there is going to small micro battle.

Terrans gonna try to do some damage with hellions, banshee, tank drop or liberator and zerg players know exactly how to deal with it. So terran players have to harrass multiple places at a time, and if zerg falls behind in APM or Macro then they will take huge damage. Then, zergs gonna have map control with mutas, and Terrans gonna try do something before hive.

Late game is mostly ultra vs ghost, liberator and widowmine, and those are really hard to control for terrans(not sure how hard it is for zergs), so, I think zerg is slightly favored in the late game.

TvP, acutally I do not know much about it. What I think is most games are pretty standard. Terran goes for reaper expend, then probably factory or 2 more raxes, widow mine, or hellion drop to try to figure out what is going on, and liberators are quite hard to deal with for protoss players, so I see lot of protoss players going for stargate opening. Game changing thing in TvP is liberator and warp prism. Once adepts land on your base, you are basically fucked. Same for protoss. Once libertor takes a good spot, and there's no pylon for photon charge, its game over.


This is my statistic on ladder.
[image loading]
TvZ has been my worst nightmare since WoL, and it is even worse because I'm not a pro player anymore(I often fall behind in macro). TvT has been always best match up of mine, and TvP is a lot easier than it was.

Imo, TvZ is slightly favored for zergs. I'd say... (52:48) and TvP is slightly favored for Terrans somewhere like (51:49)

Besides the balance, people are less nicer than before, it is hard to see GG after the game. I was one of them, but now I'm trying to GG after every game and be nice to people no matter how angry I am =)

I don't play SC2 too much cause I have other things to do. I play about 5 games on weekdays and 10 to 20 games on weekends.

I'm doing pretty well on NA ladder so far, and I kinda wanna give a shot for WCS during the summer vacation. On the other hand, I kinda don't want to lol. I believe I did okay in WoL and don't want my career to be tarnished. I would like to stream sometimes, but I don't think my internet is fast enough to stream(Thanks to AT&T)

Thanks for reading and hope you enjoyed my blog. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Also, I believe I can give some solid advice to people who is below high master league.

Please follow me on Twitter(@rainpsy) and Instagram(@parkseoyong) if you can. I don't really use it but it is always good to have more followers =]]]



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JeffKim
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Korea (South)36 Posts
April 19 2016 00:42 GMT
#2
Follow you on IG, the food pics look great dude. GL with your future.
Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
April 19 2016 00:42 GMT
#3
Can't see the images for some reason. Those are links to the images
http://imgur.com/2xMdhOT
http://imgur.com/5aFW1df
Life is not easy, sometimes you need to realize you gotta pack your bags and go back to the real world before you're old and broke with no education.
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
April 19 2016 00:53 GMT
#4
You need to put the direct link between the img tags. So
https://i.imgur.com/2xMdhOT.jpg and
https://i.imgur.com/5aFW1df.jpg instead of what's currently there.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
April 19 2016 02:03 GMT
#5
really pleasant surprise!

don't worry about damaging your record or image. people who think less of you for trying don't really matter.
glhf, gg!
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Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
April 19 2016 02:26 GMT
#6
On April 19 2016 09:53 Ljas wrote:
You need to put the direct link between the img tags. So
https://i.imgur.com/2xMdhOT.jpg and
https://i.imgur.com/5aFW1df.jpg instead of what's currently there.


Thanks bro!
Life is not easy, sometimes you need to realize you gotta pack your bags and go back to the real world before you're old and broke with no education.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 19 2016 02:28 GMT
#7
nice, long time since your last blog. this is good insight
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Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
April 19 2016 02:29 GMT
#8
On April 19 2016 11:03 nanaoei wrote:
really pleasant surprise!

don't worry about damaging your record or image. people who think less of you for trying don't really matter.
glhf, gg!


Yea I think so too, and most people don't know me anyway, so yea why not! haha thanks for your advice.
Life is not easy, sometimes you need to realize you gotta pack your bags and go back to the real world before you're old and broke with no education.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37022 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 02:42:11
April 19 2016 02:41 GMT
#9
박서용 선수 안녕하세요. 팀리퀴드 해외 관계 티렉터 Seeker입니다. 영어 참 잘 하시네요. 글 재미 있게 읽었습니다.

Couple things you should fix:
Before reading this, I would like to let you know that English is my 2nd language, and I suck with grammars so please take into consideration.

No need for s after grammar here. Just "grammar" is fine.
You should say something like, "please take that into consideration", or "please take into consideration that fact". Saying, "please take into consideration," is ambiguous. You need to specify what we should take into consideration.

I tried out campaigns and off-raced on ladder a few times a month, and that was it.

Again, no need for "s" after "campaign".

There aren't not too many things to do in the early game,

This is a double negative. You just said "There are not not too many things to do," which means there are many things you can do.

progamer, match up, skill based

pro-gamer
match-up
skill-based

This is my statistic on ladder.

These are my statistics on ladder:

and I kinda wanna give a shot for WCS during the summer vacation

No need for "for" and "the", you can just say "I kind of want to give a shot at WCS during summer vacation."

Also, I believe I can give some solid advice to people who is below high master league.

Also, I believe I can give some solid advice to people who are high masters and below.

화이팅 하시고 계속 글 올리세요. 박서용 선수 좋아하는 사람들 여기 많습니다 ㅎㅎ
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 19 2016 03:01 GMT
#10
You always have good blogs.
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 04:28:22
April 19 2016 03:26 GMT
#11
Your English is so much better than before when you posted these blogs! I took some time to provide you with a few suggestions for edits. Hope you do more of these.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uR-J5Lhp4tmxyKwcBXOA0ub3HhdbyCqu5e-UdahhJ0w/edit
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Voltz_sc21
Profile Joined August 2015
66 Posts
April 19 2016 04:21 GMT
#12
Hey man, great to hear from you. Random question, where do you currently live?
joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1023 Posts
April 19 2016 06:21 GMT
#13
Hey your english is great! Keep it up! I always enjoy your posts, itd be awesome to see you in WCS if you do decide to try. Thanks for giving us your thoughts on the game
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51481 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 09:22:49
April 19 2016 09:22 GMT
#14
Nice blog as usual Rain
Thanks for update and please do try WCS in summer
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 12:19:36
April 19 2016 12:19 GMT
#15
"I changed my account name to Minou from FnaticRain cause I got sick of people asking me if I am SKTRain." lmao this is gold

good luck in WCS
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16686 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-19 12:42:59
April 19 2016 12:38 GMT
#16
5 star blog. your english is miles better than my korean.

On April 19 2016 09:38 Rain wrote:
I believe LotV is more balanced than other 2 previous series, it is more skill based and most importantly it's more fun to play.

According to some very knowledgeable NA Masters players: Blizzard paid you to say this; these same guys claim you were crouching behind the grassy knoll on November 22 , 1963.
( i've always wanted to put a colon and semi-colon in the same sentence)

enough sarcasm. i agree, LotV is a great game. DK is really good and did a nice job with some substantial changes to SC2.
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
April 19 2016 23:22 GMT
#17
Your English writing is better than the average North-American-born citizen, imo. Good luck
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eskashaborn
Profile Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
April 20 2016 03:51 GMT
#18
Nice blog, thanks. Do you play other games too?
zzzz
Rain
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
120 Posts
April 20 2016 05:52 GMT
#19
Thank you guys for correcting my English! It helped me a lot.

I live in Sacramento CA.
I don't really play other games. Sometimes I play Skyrim when I'm super bored lol
Life is not easy, sometimes you need to realize you gotta pack your bags and go back to the real world before you're old and broke with no education.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
April 20 2016 06:07 GMT
#20
Thanks for the write-up. Do you watch much SC2? Or just play?
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