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Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
March 25 2016 12:28 GMT
#21
Maybe Universe and RTZ just weren't satisfied with the results they were having. With their post-TI roster, EG only won The Summit 4 and the Captains Draft 3.0 tournaments. Thats 2 low profile tournament wins in 7 months. While they made deep runs in the more important tournaments, they never looked like actually winning any. On top of that, they got knocked out before reaching the finals in both majors. If you compare those results with the ones EG had prior to TI, it's hard to imagine the EG-players being content with the way things are going. Maybe they didn't have enough confidence in their ability to turn this around?

Then again, all of us are just guessing at this point. There could be any reason for the team not sticking together.
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Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
March 25 2016 14:10 GMT
#22
5 stars for the picture at the end. AgrEEd.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44279 Posts
March 25 2016 14:13 GMT
#23
Then again, all of us are just guessing at this point. There could be any reason for the team not sticking together.


Yeah
this is a quote
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-25 18:49:24
March 25 2016 17:50 GMT
#24
Team Secret's salary is incredibly high, almost rivaling.

Stability is a different question, but EG (Good Game Agency) is also doing a massive revising as well that will shift a lot of its owned brands.
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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
March 25 2016 18:51 GMT
#25
I mean, playing with Puppey must be incredible but how fucking incredible it has to be to give up the stability and the salaries coming your way by playing for EG?


Believe your the best player on your position and also believe in the people that play the other positions. Confidence in your own as well as in your new team members abilities can easily justify a switch.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
March 25 2016 20:46 GMT
#26
On March 26 2016 02:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
Team Secret's salary is incredibly high, almost rivaling.

Stability is a different question, but EG (Good Game Agency) is also doing a massive revising as well that will shift a lot of its owned brands.

Where is that Secret salary coming from ? Also the GGA revising has been going on for more than a year, I doubt they will revise even further since they did pretty much everything all other organizations were bitching about.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
March 25 2016 20:48 GMT
#27
Maybe it's coming from the billionaire owner, lol.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
March 25 2016 20:54 GMT
#28
Aahh yes. The billionaire owners and the rich outside investors seeking nothing but the well being of esports and their organizations, that always lasted for long
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
March 25 2016 21:17 GMT
#29
you can be right or wrong after they play out the rest of their careers, for now, universe is playing a video game primarily, and making silly youtube videos on the side for income--which probably exceeds most of what anybody around him is making.

if he wants to buy a mansion for him and aui, he can do that. if he then decides he wants to rent studio time to record a solo-album, he certainly has that freedom.

most people do not, and the international is the biggest and brightest cherry on that pie as he enters the twilight years of his gaming career.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
March 25 2016 21:36 GMT
#30
Holy Disciple spitting the truth,
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 25 2016 21:54 GMT
#31
In high-stress environments, even the best of friends will grate on each other. Sometimes you just need to change. And even if ppd is salty, he gets a whole lot out of his teams and his drafts.

Though, my prediction right now is we're going to look back on all of the issues and blowing up of teams in this shuffle due to the way 6.86 patch played out. All of the carry positions are really a pretty sizable wreck right now. You can run a few different styles of play, but at the top-tier of play, the actual hero pool has gotten really small and depending on what Meta heroes get through the first phase, the team has to play the game very differently.

In Universe's case, one game playing Dark Seer is the right call. The next Nature's Prophet. So he's switching between being Universe and needing to play like Bulldog. MVP.P just gave up with an off-laner at times and ran 3 full cores. There's a bit of Rock, Paper, Scissors effects going on with the high-level drafting & strategy, which really makes it something of a mess for players.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
March 25 2016 23:15 GMT
#32
Why would they worry to leave EG if they know they can go back when they want? Letting RTZ and zai come back just set a precedent.
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Denia1
Profile Joined January 2011
148 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 04:23:47
March 27 2016 04:11 GMT
#33
I guess Manilla and TI will prove who's right, but personally I do not like the Secret/EG shuffle either. Nevertheless it is just a rant and though I share your feelings, I doubt the money involved played a highly significant part, nor should the situation be analyzed from that point of view.

The people who are bringing in economical analysis and prospect theory are way over-analyzing the situation. Or simply, using a unlikely and marginal explanation. I think Universe being friends with Arteezy, wanting a change of scenery and wanting to win (being on stage, holding the trophy in front of a cheering a crowd; not receiving a cheque at home), are all way more important factors than the financial considerations, in terms of explaining his behavior. But the idea that he would sit down with a calculator and calculate the EV of this transfer to Secret made me chuckle, thanks for that guys .
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les
Profile Joined February 2010
143 Posts
March 28 2016 21:17 GMT
#34
And we all know that professional DotA players are only playing for the money, the prize money and the salary they get. Not to leave a mark on the scene, deliver a good show or for the love of the game.

It's sad that you have such a narrow view on all of this. DotA isn't about money. Sure it's nice but the reasoning behind the transfer was about a lot but not money. That the pro teams are switching around so much is rather common at every level of competition. Instead of being all but hurt about him doing something different we should be happy that there is new energy and new story lines coming into TI6.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 09 2016 14:09 GMT
#35
:D
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
June 09 2016 15:25 GMT
#36
Yup.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 10 2016 16:59 GMT
#37
On March 29 2016 06:17 les wrote:
And we all know that professional DotA players are only playing for the money, the prize money and the salary they get. Not to leave a mark on the scene, deliver a good show or for the love of the game.

It's sad that you have such a narrow view on all of this. DotA isn't about money. Sure it's nice but the reasoning behind the transfer was about a lot but not money. That the pro teams are switching around so much is rather common at every level of competition. Instead of being all but hurt about him doing something different we should be happy that there is new energy and new story lines coming into TI6.

Dota is about money. Pro-anything is about money. Leaving a mark on Dota is meaningless in the context of the education/job training the players are giving up to be pro-players. This isn't some BW "passion for the game" that they used to justify having team houses filled with unpaid employees to use a training partners for their star players.

Its all about the pay check and what the team offers. Players are employees. Teams are like bands at a concert. Bands love the music they make, but they 100% need to get paid to make it or justify the cost of doing it.
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