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WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 10 2016 23:57 GMT
#1
I have three accounts on Fish. One for ladder, one for clan practice, and one for melee practice so I don't get kicked out of ladder losing to stupid shit by trying new things. I've recently noticed that I can beat most of my fellow clan members who have much higher win rates than me for melee. To put it in perspective, I'm E on ladder and lose 왕초보 (king noob, the lowest of the low) melee games.

I thought nothing of this, but the clan leader decided to talk to me about this because my PoV% for melee was, like, 15%. It was horrible and being E it should not be that low. I told him that most of the lobbies I host I just go with the first people that join, and it was already a bad sign to him. He asked me what kind of people I play, and I mentioned they're usually new accounts with names so random I can't even check the stats on the account because they would leave before I could even type out half of their name.

He showed me that wDetector has a feature where you press Alt+(player slot # on numpad) to immediately check their stats in the lobby. As it turns out, nearly everybody I played was a hardcore smurf and this is extremely common on Fish. I knew smurfs were a thing, but I guess they're super duper common on Fish. He said to ban anybody with 0-0-0 PoV or with a crazy high win rate, and I took his advice.

Woe and behold I'm actually better than most casual players on Fish, and I was too stupid to check the profiles of people in my lobby. Turns out Fish isn't as brutal as everybody makes it out to be, we as foreigners just don't understand all the features and problems Fish has, including the alt numpad stat checker made specifically because of the smurfing problem.

Next time you hop on Fish, try this out. You'll have a lot more fun and now I don't feel like an idiot for losing twenty times as many games as I've won.

*****
hellokitty[hk]
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1309 Posts
March 11 2016 01:54 GMT
#2
5/5 for venturing into your doom that is fish server.
People are imbeciles, lucky thing god made cats.
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-11 01:57:08
March 11 2016 01:56 GMT
#3
On March 11 2016 10:54 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
5/5 for venturing into your doom that is fish server.

To be totally honest I've only played BW for about two or three months and I've been having a blast. I think foreigners severely overestimate the skill of Fish. While the general skill is higher, the bottom of the barrel is even lower than iCCup just because there are so many players.

With BW shooting back up in Korea rapidly, now is a better time than ever to hop on. You'll find plenty of people at your level even if you're D- on iCCup, and with practice you'll be in the ladder before you know it.
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
March 11 2016 05:40 GMT
#4
I don't know why, but this thread really makes me wanna try out BW.
I didn't buy LotV and I'm getting the crave for some RTS again :D
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 11 2016 14:36 GMT
#5
I'd play on Fish more if I could actually communicate with other people. It'd be nice if there were some clans set up where non koreans could join in as well to meet people, even if it is with Koreans. It's just so lonely on Fish when you have no idea what to read or where to go.

Getting kicked out of every game doesn't help due to not having the maps. :/
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32051 Posts
March 11 2016 14:49 GMT
#6
On March 11 2016 14:40 beg wrote:
I don't know why, but this thread really makes me wanna try out BW.
I didn't buy LotV and I'm getting the crave for some RTS again :D

goddamn kids who the hell plays sc2 without ever trying bw

GOD
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7104 Posts
March 11 2016 15:16 GMT
#7
On March 11 2016 23:49 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2016 14:40 beg wrote:
I don't know why, but this thread really makes me wanna try out BW.
I didn't buy LotV and I'm getting the crave for some RTS again :D

goddamn kids who the hell plays sc2 without ever trying bw

GOD

Me
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
March 11 2016 22:26 GMT
#8
On March 11 2016 23:36 Qikz wrote:
I'd play on Fish more if I could actually communicate with other people. It'd be nice if there were some clans set up where non koreans could join in as well to meet people, even if it is with Koreans. It's just so lonely on Fish when you have no idea what to read or where to go.

Getting kicked out of every game doesn't help due to not having the maps. :/

I haven't played in a while, but there are a lot of clans that will invite you, even if you're not very good. I was part of a clan without being amazing, and people were really nice, obsing games and giving tips and playing practice games. I think if you're honest about not speaking Korean, some people won't want to play with you, but someone will get interested and want to play a lot.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
March 11 2016 22:43 GMT
#9
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Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
March 11 2016 22:49 GMT
#10
how do you even play games on fish without getting kicked for a high ping
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 11 2016 22:59 GMT
#11
On March 12 2016 07:49 Espers wrote:
how do you even play games on fish without getting kicked for a high ping

Unless your ping is 600 or something they don't care. #L2 is a gift from Flash
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
March 12 2016 10:50 GMT
#12
Is A rank on iCCup like GM on sc2 lotv?
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-12 11:04:34
March 12 2016 11:04 GMT
#13
On March 12 2016 19:50 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
Is A rank on iCCup like GM on sc2 lotv?

I'd say C on Fish is like GM on LotV, A on iCCup is about high D or very low C on Fish, and A on Fish is like a super ultra mega crazy GM
[N3O]r3d33m3r
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany673 Posts
March 12 2016 11:37 GMT
#14
holy hell are you not joking?? why is it such a big difference compared to iCCup. i remember B rank players were praised as pretty fucking good.
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 12 2016 12:19 GMT
#15
On March 12 2016 20:37 [N3O]r3d33m3r wrote:
holy hell are you not joking?? why is it such a big difference compared to iCCup. i remember B rank players were praised as pretty fucking good.

A and B are still good on iCCup don't get me wrong, Fish is just on a whole new level when you get to those rankings.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
March 12 2016 16:19 GMT
#16
What's Fish if you don't mind my asking?
Age of Mythology forever!
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 12 2016 16:45 GMT
#17
On March 13 2016 01:19 mantequilla wrote:
What's Fish if you don't mind my asking?

Fish Server, the Korean StarCraft server, currently with over 12,000 online users at 2 AM KST.
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