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Terran on Python and Fighting Spirit

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YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 22 2015 19:45 GMT
#1
I was a BW TvP expert, winning against top foreign players and even giving PvT specialists a run for their money on toss favored maps like Tau Cross. The most considerable difficulty was the 12 o'clock position on Python, ordinarily taking a second at 11, and the problems posed by Vulture harass. It isn't obvious what portion of the brain handles Protoss when old school split pushes drop Tanks to support mines; but the choke potential is extremely high. This was as much a problem on Python as anywhere, especially when the question was holding what were virtual islands against tanks mines and wraiths. Vultures are already pretty effective when micro'd properly, thinning out Protoss and preventing storm outside shuttles. When the possibility for island harass is added to regular cliff drop play against main expansions, the flexibility of a Terran army is greater than it ought to be; Protoss simply cannot contend with cheap raids and the kind of map dominance islands afford.

It is not uncommon for Protoss players to enter a state of panic when expansions start getting cut off. This kind of harass play pays major dividends for the Terran. Mines are effective in their usual capacity; but, when mines are employed with derisive tactics, the play itself becomes more cost efficient. Most Terran players were then driven to induce anxiety with their plays. It's straight-forward enough to build a missile turret for a push or at random for intercepts. This kind of play paid major dividends where Terran misplays were concerned. Anxiety usually leads to space creation and then a lull. The Protoss player willing to abuse these situations can layer his attacks, and easy wins follow from recall plays and Carriers when the Terran's ambition abates.

Fighting Spirit is one of those maps that should be out of the PvT map pool because the match up is necessarily less dynamic in enclosed third situations. In the long game and short, Fighting Spirit turns things into a boxing match. It doesn't provide an avenue for reasonable aggression, and the only realistic option for a Protoss is to push with a mid-game Reaver follow-up. This is not especially good etiquette because predictability is not something one wants in a Starcraft game. What players do and don't do makes a significant difference. In the same sense that Poker is not mathematical, any good strategy of incomplete information will have various tactics. Bluntly put, a good RTS cannot avail itself of maps that enforce decision procedures, because when they opt to narrow ranges, the capacity for unique play is diminished.

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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 22 2015 20:16 GMT
#2
On April 23 2015 04:45 YokoKano wrote:
It isn't obvious what portion of the brain handles Protoss when old school split pushes drop Tanks to support mines; but the choke potential is extremely high.

The fruit of meaning in this sentence is ripe to the point of bursting with the juice of ambiguity. Dare I utter "triple entendre"?

Also, on the overall point I concur.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 22 2015 20:56 GMT
#3
Do you even play Brood War, bro?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 22 2015 21:26 GMT
#4
On April 23 2015 05:16 EatThePath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 04:45 YokoKano wrote:
It isn't obvious what portion of the brain handles Protoss when old school split pushes drop Tanks to support mines; but the choke potential is extremely high.

The fruit of meaning in this sentence is ripe to the point of bursting with the juice of ambiguity. Dare I utter "triple entendre"?

Also, on the overall point I concur.


It's something to smile about. Terran finally jumping at shadows. Hopefully the stats will show when I start watching proleague, again.
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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-22 22:04:07
April 22 2015 22:03 GMT
#5
Don't see why Siege Tanks are 2 supply instead of 3 in BW. And revert SCV health to 45 like in SC2!. And 1 free mine per vulture please.
Kazahk
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States385 Posts
April 22 2015 23:35 GMT
#6
Is winning against top foreigners on record or in your head?
Rngesus blessed me with a tooth half, then shunned me with a spinach roll.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 23 2015 00:37 GMT
#7
what do foreigners know about terran
they dont play terran
they only whine about them and ask for nerfs.
homo sapiens in a nutshell
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 23 2015 02:03 GMT
#8
On April 23 2015 08:35 Kazahk wrote:
Is winning against top foreigners on record or in your head?


90% of it is in my head. There are moments, though. I was best at mirrors and probably got the majority of those.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
April 23 2015 04:07 GMT
#9
Because it's critically important what random people on the internet think...I approve of the quote if your signature.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 23 2015 07:44 GMT
#10
On April 23 2015 11:03 YokoKano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 08:35 Kazahk wrote:
Is winning against top foreigners on record or in your head?


90% of it is in my head. There are moments, though. I was best at mirrors and probably got the majority of those.


And what of the 10%?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
April 23 2015 09:17 GMT
#11
What rank are you?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
April 23 2015 09:41 GMT
#12
On April 23 2015 18:17 puppykiller wrote:
What rank are you?


Bonjwa of Bonjwas
YokoKano
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States612 Posts
April 23 2015 09:52 GMT
#13
On April 23 2015 16:44 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 11:03 YokoKano wrote:
On April 23 2015 08:35 Kazahk wrote:
Is winning against top foreigners on record or in your head?


90% of it is in my head. There are moments, though. I was best at mirrors and probably got the majority of those.


And what of the 10%?


Economics is a retarded way to answer questions, that's all I'll say.
IQ 155.905638752
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
April 23 2015 15:59 GMT
#14
What's your handle ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 23 2015 20:20 GMT
#15
On April 23 2015 18:52 YokoKano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 16:44 ninazerg wrote:
On April 23 2015 11:03 YokoKano wrote:
On April 23 2015 08:35 Kazahk wrote:
Is winning against top foreigners on record or in your head?


90% of it is in my head. There are moments, though. I was best at mirrors and probably got the majority of those.


And what of the 10%?


Economics is a retarded way to answer questions, that's all I'll say.


I want the full-length retard answer, if you may. I was just curious about a few things: who did you beat? Do you have any replays of your TvP? What was your highest rank on iccup or WGT?
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 23 2015 21:12 GMT
#16
^ Such a lazy fair agenda going on here
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
April 24 2015 08:30 GMT
#17
On python, timing pushes are very important. Gotta make them at the right time, and execute them very well.
If you don't do a timing push, it's gonna be hard. You'll have to turtle like hell.

Drops and stuff are cute, but won't do much against good players.
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