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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
March 30 2015 08:04 GMT
#1
i know there have been caster rankings before, but i'm a random nobody so this certainly has no place anywhere other than blogs. i'm really bored right now and i have opinions about casters, so here we go

a note, though - if you are a fan of one of these casters, a friend of one of these casters, or if you actually are one of these casters, please don't take any personal offense from any criticisms i may offer. i'm criticizing them only as entertainers providing content and draw no parallel between the quality of their shows and their value as people. just like a talk show, a SC2 cast hangs somewhere between reality and exaggerated banter, and i would never pass value judgment on human beings because of my subjective reaction to the way they talk about games. i also acknowledge that i'm a consumer of free content and have no basis to demand a different product. i'm just taking the liberty to write out my opinions because i'm bored and i feel like it

1. Rifkin & ZombieGrub
one of the best things about tuning in to basetrade is that rifkin and zombiegrub genuinely enjoy what they do to a point where it seems like they will cast almost anything they're able. listening to their casts feels like watching games alongside other SC2 fans. although the disadvantage here is that their analysis isn't "pro level" like what you get from professional players or gurus like artosis and apollo, the advantage is that you can have a lot of fun watching mid-level games, random community filler, and the creative, unique tournaments basetrade often puts on.

the first few times i heard them cast i remember enjoying zombiegrub's commentary, but she was much quieter and at some points almost seemed bored or disinterested in what she was doing (maybe shy?). since then she's come a long way. her chemistry with rifkin and willingness to pour in analysis have improved so much that she's now one of my favorite casters. she's gone from reclusive to relaxed, she has a funny, dry sense of humor, and although her analysis isn't face-meltingly incredible she always has something intelligent to say about the game, rarely overstepping her knowledge or trying to theorycraft to bridge gaps if she's unsure of something.

rifkin is a mixed bag for me. his contribution to the community is immeasurable, and his will to improve the scene is a gift to all of us. however, as a caster, he shares some of the issues i have with totalbiscuit. at times he can be a bit egotistical, embarking on some strange theoretical monologues which he seems to imagine are more insightful than they really are. i understand the need for a play-by-play caster to create hype and fill downtime by building a narrative and rolling with it, but sometimes rifkin fixates on ideas and details of games that just aren't terribly relevant or interesting. as these monologues snowball he sometimes cuts off his co-caster and neglects more pertinent analysis. contrary to zombiegrub, rifkin is definitely someone who tends to frequently overstep the limits of his game knowledge. more than a few times that i've heard zombiegrub -- whom i consider more knowledgeable -- disputed or shouted down by rifkin in cases where he's arguably (or obviously) wrong.

i don't mean to make rifkin sound all bad. his strength as a caster is his (ugh, cliche, but...) passion as well as his constant readiness to be silly, funny and engaging. when his ego isn't hurting the cast his charisma is carrying it, and that's something that's necessary because of zombiegrub's more reserved demeanor. i can't speak to whether they're truly good friends, but they cast as if they are, and rare awkward moments are overshadowed by times when they're laughing together and making mediocre games better than mediocre to watch. overall, because of their fiendish dedication to finding diverse content to cast and their strong chemistry, they're definitely one of the strongest casting teams. unfortunately in the worst of cases, when the quality of the games is low the flaws of the cast can make certain smaller tournaments drag.

2) Artosis & Tasteless
i consider myself in the minority when i say that i'm not a big fan of these two. one of the problems i see with their casting is what i call the "LagTV effect." to explain: maximusblack and his co-caster (whose name i can't recall) used to be very entertaining in casting "when cheese fails" and other assorted SC2 content on their channel. their banter and humor provided a fun counterpoint to the actual analysis and gamecalling. however, over time, their interest in the game noticeably waned, they became too comfortable with their conversational style, and every cast devolved into 10, 15, 20-minute conversations about cartoons from the 1980s and food preferences. as professionals, artosis and tasteless aren't quite THAT bad, but they suffer from the same tendencies. while they are both quite intelligent and clever at their best their jokes are hit-or-miss -- especially the very nerdy and referential ones, which frequently come off as audience-pandering filler. i consider tasteless much naturally funnier, and i do enjoy a lot of his craziness, but even he can get irritating at times.

artosis's game knowledge -- and more specifically his intimate and deep-rooted knowledge of the korean scene itself -- are still quite strong, and the majority of his insights hit home. as a pure analyst he's arguably unrivaled, and that's what carries their casts. but his casting persona can run quite dry. for how much he talks about loving starcraft, he very seldom sounds excited by it, and his hyper-critical standards for quality of play can detract from the fun of watching the games. he is, however, a consummate professional who shows up and consistently delivers relevant analysis and fleshy context on specific players, playstyles, GSL history and more. he's a veteran who's earned his keep, but flawed as an entertainer.

there's less to say about tasteless. everyone pretty much knows what tasteless is like: crazy, often funny, the dead-horse jokes about tasteless passion, the questionable or outdated analysis that creeps into his casting. he's a straightforward personality, but being straightforward doesn't make him bad. in fact, i find myself enjoying him as a caster more than artosis. however, just as rifkin's charisma carries zombiegrub, artosis's analysis also seems necessary to carry tasteless. while tastosis aren't my favorite casting team, it's hard to complain too vehemently about the GSL product they offer.

3) Wolf, Brendan & Moonglade
these two (and three) have had their ups and downs. wolf and brendan have been criticized frequently for various reasons: many people seem to find them annoying or not knowledgeable enough to cast korean SC2. i don't quite agree with most of these criticisms. although there are certainly times when wolf or brendan have missed context, made miscalls or let games go by relatively passively without contributing a huge amount of information, brendan has a bright and fun personality, he clearly tries to deliver good casts and good times, and it's hard for me to find reasons to dislike him. wolf, too, has grown on me a lot. he's a sort of "middle ground" as casters go: an anchor who can provide okay analysis, decent commentary, decent jokes, and keeps the cast going and the show rolling. with the supplementary addition of moonglade's pro-level analysis, i've come to enjoy them quite a bit. even if their knowledge and insight aren't 100% perfect, they're strong, consistent and enough to make casts worth watching.

i'm a huge fan of the addition of moonglade. his personality is unique, his knowledge is pro-level (and often impressive even for races other than zerg), and his australian idiosyncrasies are hilarious but usually not overdone or annoying. he's not afraid to be incisive and opinionated, which is a frequent shortcoming of many professional casters -- it can be difficult to provide a professional show without restraining some degree of your biases, views and humor, but moonglade does so very successfully in my opinion. to put it simply: he's a cool guy, and i think i would enjoy watching a game with him in person as much as i enjoy hearing him cast. a brilliant member of the team who i hope has a long future in casting

i wouldn't say W, B & M are a runaway #1 favorite of mine for casters, but they're very strong. proleague overall is my favorite SC2 production to watch, and they're no small part of that equation. although i'd be open to different combinations for proleague, i like all three and see no need for the team to change or break down.

4) Apollo & Kaelaris
i like apollo and kaelaris a lot. kaelaris has a firebrand vigor in his gamecalling. i almost never hear him grow bored or tired when casting, and whether you consider this a positive or not he's one of the strongest hype manufacturers in the business in terms of pure vocal intensity and "playing up the plays." his analysis is mediocre, but it's improved from time spent casting with apollo, and analysis isn't what he's there to provide anyway. if i can make one criticism of his style it's that he too frequently folds in on himself self-consciously, doubting his own insight and rambling into a corner where he ends up dismissing his own opinions and wasting time with commentary he later tries to nullify. although it's true that not all of his calls are deep or accurate, i think he's a good enough caster that he should be able to call games with confidence and not undermine himself.

apollo is one of the biggest "double threat" casters, capable of both great analysis and great hype. he has tons of charisma and a strong personality. his knowledge of build architecture and game mechanics adds a lot of color to his casts, and he often seems to have a preternatural talent for making correct calls on how a player will approach a game based on the early minutes. one problem i have with his casting, however, is what i perceive as a lack of stamina for the game. while he knows how to direct an audience and carry a cast, he's not a big "banterer" and shines the most when he's honed in on the game, which unfortunately is not always the case. it's not a frequent problem, but there have been times when he's seemed distant, bored, jet-lagged, maybe all of the above. if he isn't on his game, he's usually pretty far off of it. his charisma is usually very high, but it can also range very low, and some awkwardness can seep in when kaelaris has to carry the show.

i truly think i would watch any game featuring apollo and kaelaris. the most important part of casting is bringing entertainment, and while they don't have the back-and-forth of a morning talk show like some teams, they know how to manufacture an intense spectator experience and raise the atmosphere of WCS, which is important when dealing with the official branded tournament of the game. despite their minor flaws, i rank them very highly.

5) Rotterdam & Nathanias
not going to dance around it: i miss mr bitter. as a master/low GM level terran, nathanias does bring a fresher and more modern player perspective than we would have seen from mr bitter, but in terms of charisma bitter dwarfs him. i have a lot of issues with nathanias, including his tiresome kappa twitch references, his smug, not-at-all-subtle terran bias and balance complaints, and his monotonous presence. the best compliment i can give him is that he's a very strong terran expert and provides a lot of details about playing terran which as a zerg player i would never think of. other than that there's not a lot i enjoy about nathanias' casting other than his decent chemistry with rotti.

rotterdam is the opposite end of the spectrum for me. he's pure fun, loves starcraft, has a high level of knowledge about builds and mechanics, and loves to laugh at himself (and anything else worth laughing at). he doesn't seem afraid to admit if/when he's biased, and his biases don't show in a way that hurts his casting. instead he simply comes off as a genuine fan of the game. like moonglade, rotterdam is someone who seems like he would be fun to hang out with and talk starcraft, and he makes watching games a very comfortable and familiar experience. because of his great personality he's one of the few SC2 streams i watch as well, and he easily carries this team. however, with a co-caster i don't particularly like, it's difficult to know how to rank them as a unit.

6) brief honorable mentions
Tod - great hype man, seems to really enjoy casting games, hilarious french accent, pretty funny. analysis sometimes surprisingly weak about non-protoss races for a pro player. language barrier creates a few awkward moments
Incontrol - overflowing presence and charisma, probably can't be "off" even if he tries. his wrecking ball sardonic humor can get old fast. sometimes crosses the line from zany and fun to annoying and condescending. often surprisingly good analysis considering he's not currently a very relevant player. great as a host or desk man.
Pughy - good B-level community caster, able to put fun and energy into the events he is able to cast. has a cool accent and pretty solid analysis, nice, chill personality as well. could probably succeed if given a bigger stage and if he wanted it
TotalBiscuit - referenced it before, but i don't really like him. like rifkin, presents quite a bit of low-level knowledge in a very self-important way. also like rifkin, provides huge community organizing service that should be mentioned as well. basically a bigger-name version of rifkin. lot of people like his hype and play by play, but i'm not a fan of that either. have to admit my opinion is biased by the fact that i consider him an extremely rude and hostile person outside of his casting.
Madals - i truly believe he tries
Day9 - didn't like him back when he knew the game, like him less now that he doesn't. great for making the game accessible to people who know almost nothing about it, not good for much else. weird, awkward casting voice and weird, awkward sense of humor. i'm sure he's a nice guy. glad we don't see much of him anymore.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
March 30 2015 10:56 GMT
#2
please don't do the caster reviews.

It takes away the only thing catz has left.
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HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 11:17:55
March 30 2015 11:17 GMT
#3
On March 30 2015 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:
please don't do the caster reviews.

It takes away the only thing catz has left.


I second this motion purely on basis that I do not agree 100% with every statement you made and don't feel inferior, since I consider myself quite the random nobody.

d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
March 30 2015 11:22 GMT
#4
TL;DR

He likes all the hot dudes. Can't blame him.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 30 2015 11:23 GMT
#5
Lol if I were to rank your top 5 I would almost reverse it upside-down xD
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
March 30 2015 12:30 GMT
#6
glad u didnt mention Khalodor, this guy is so weired and incredible bad casting, that he doesnt deserve a place in your list
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 30 2015 14:39 GMT
#7
1. Idra+Khaldor
2. Tasteless
3. The best of the rest
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7387 Posts
March 30 2015 17:11 GMT
#8
On March 30 2015 20:22 d00p wrote:
TL;DR

He likes all the hot dudes. Can't blame him.


He doesnt even like Day[9], though
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Nathanias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
March 30 2015 17:29 GMT
#9
I honestly dunno how much you watch SC2, but if you're going to do reviews please try to watch recent tournaments. I have specifically gone out of my way NOT to say Kappa or most twitch memes for the most part since I cast Dreamhack Stockholm last year. I'm constantly working to improve and when complaints are about things I did close to a year ago it's pretty depressing since it gives the impression that you've muted me ever since, expecting me not to put any effort into responding to the feedback the community gives me.

Sorry if this seemed a bit sharp but I read this particular type of feedback all the time despite making changes and it's pretty depressing.
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BjoernK
Profile Joined April 2012
194 Posts
March 30 2015 18:11 GMT
#10
@Nathanias, I think you are doing really well and I feel you have become quiet a bit more popular as a caster.

I also I very much enjoyed you giving dragon 20$ the other day on stream - especially with the message attatched. Since he pretty much ignored it I send him the same message with a 1$ donation - to which he replied: "she will kill me..." - too bad he declined - he might have (had) a shot.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
March 30 2015 20:48 GMT
#11
I personally enjoy Rotti and Nate they def have amazing chemistry together, and yes nathanias is terran bias but he has gotten better about it, Tastosis are still the best right now imo, valdez is pretty damn good as well
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 22:02:50
March 30 2015 21:50 GMT
#12
On March 30 2015 21:30 bypLy wrote:
glad u didnt mention Khalodor, this guy is so weired and incredible bad casting, that he doesnt deserve a place in your list

He's neither weird nor incredibly bad at casting, as seen from an objective point of view. There's a difference between "the guy is bad" and "I don't like the guy".

My ratings would be the following:

1. Apollo
2. Tastosis
3. Day[9]
4. Kaelaris / Demuslim / Zombiegrub
5. DjWheat, MrBitter, Axslav, Axeltoss, Incontrol, Take, Khaldor
6. Rifkin
7. Wolf / Brendan / Moonglade

#1 I love the guy. He's awesome. A kind and fun person (I got to talk to him in Cologne twice now =) and have a photo with him!) who really loves the game, is passionate about it and treats you as a person, not as a faceless fan.
#2 Always fun to watch.
#3 Nice humour, great language and pronounciation. Like the "gentleman" of the scene.
#4 Kaelaris is a great play-by-play commentator. The best, among with tasteless. Demuslim - I somehow really like him as a caster, and I rate Zombiegrub that high because I want to have a counterweight to Rifkin being rated so low :D. I like BTTV very much after all.
#5 Solid and sympathetic caster material.

I should mention that #6 and #7 are more a "I don't really like them" in my list, not a "I like them but the others are so good".

#6 - Rifkin - because I really don't like his "kappa kappa twitch culture" style of casting. I don't want the caster to regularly speak in memes.
#7 - I don't feel like any of them has a real "casting" voice. Wolf lives for some fake hype while miscalling strategies, Moonglade is decent but not too exciting and Brendan feels like an attachment to Wolf's casts.


Not even on the list:
I personally don't enjoy the casts of Rotterdam and ToD. Though I think they're great and fun persons, I don't particularly like their casting style. And I hate Rotti's trademark laughter somehow. TotalBiscuit didn't make it to the list, too, because I don't like his voice (and, tbh, he's not too deep in terms of game knowledge either, so he relies a lot on play by play). Though he's always worth tuning in due to the high quality content of his own. Pughy is decent and always stays professional but he doesn't get to cast too much. Shame, tbh.

What's a no-go for me? Destiny. Never liked the guy, never will.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 31 2015 09:35 GMT
#13
also, you're not a nobody, you're cool yo
[BSP]Kain
Profile Joined May 2014
119 Posts
March 31 2015 14:21 GMT
#14
Really good review and surprisingly on the spot for me. Thanks for the effort put to write this.

I would actually love more people write things like that, imo it helps the community.

Also, good points about speaking twich meme language by some, I think it's good way to level you up when you are starting as a caster, but later it holds you down. For me it's especially awkward when caster uses such phrases and you are trying to show some matches to people from outside to sell them idea of esports. These people are not spending their whole free time on Twitch and such cast is like rubbish to them from my experience.
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