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What's with the skill gap?

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DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
September 08 2014 13:58 GMT
#1
Korea dominates the starcraft scene. China has dota 2 as its pet. Europe rules counter-strike. Japan has street fighter

What causes this huge skill difference in games? Is it the player base? Maybe history?

As far as I know japan doesn't allow tournament payment, so all that was left for them is an arcade game. China likes to pirate things, so pirating warcraft 3 a lot led to them being good at Dota. Korea had internet first so they had time to play with the biggest RTS at the time first(?!)

I don't follow the LoL scene, but I'm guessing it's korean dominance again?

Do you think some countries get better at the game because of the number of hours played and ammount of players, or do they happen to practice more for whatever reason?

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Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
September 08 2014 14:00 GMT
#2
Different mentality, mostly.
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden887 Posts
September 08 2014 14:01 GMT
#3
its all about gaming culture
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 14:02:52
September 08 2014 14:02 GMT
#4


Variance in popularity really, culture plays into it as well.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 08 2014 14:32 GMT
#5
I think it's because of racial superiority and I would like to cite Francis Galton as a credible source and not as an author who's work is not supported in the slightest by modern science. Sieg Heil.

But no, as others have said, it's a cultural and a social thing. If a certain country has the best players of a certain game, more people from that country will play, and they'll generally have more good opponents to play with or learn from.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
September 08 2014 15:36 GMT
#6
If I can stereotype a bit,

Korea is great at everything, but some things that come to mind are Go and musicians.
China, I think maybe the most exposed to mmorpgs with huge grind, so they are very familiar with controlling a hero.
Europe was the major theater in both World Wars. Perhaps the history gives some fire to its players in CS.
Japan - Samurai! So fighting games come naturally to them?

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 08 2014 16:11 GMT
#7
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.
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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-08 16:26:02
September 08 2014 16:25 GMT
#8
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Football title in history.

???
aka Kalevi
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 08 2014 17:11 GMT
#9
On September 09 2014 01:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Football title in history.

???

American football is best football?

Jk, don't want to start a riot here.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 08 2014 17:25 GMT
#10
'Football.' lol Internationally American Football isn't as big. -.-;;

When it comes to soccer other than the Women's team. Nah.
TheCzarOfAll
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States170 Posts
September 08 2014 17:43 GMT
#11
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.


USA got Bronze in the 2004 Olympics in Basketball. Other years they failed to win:

1972 (Silver)
1980 (Not in top 4)
1988 (Bronze)

Toronto Blue Jays (Canada) won the World Series in 1992 and 1993.

So......
Yes.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
September 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#12
guys, she is trolling you.
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TheCzarOfAll
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States170 Posts
September 08 2014 18:24 GMT
#13
On September 09 2014 02:57 TheEmulator wrote:
guys, she is trolling you.



Well aware.
Yes.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 08 2014 18:30 GMT
#14
On September 09 2014 02:43 TheCzarOfAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.


USA got Bronze in the 2004 Olympics in Basketball. Other years they failed to win:

1972 (Silver)
1980 (Not in top 4)
1988 (Bronze)

Toronto Blue Jays (Canada) won the World Series in 1992 and 1993.

So......

im willing to bet 95% of the players on the blue jays were american during both of those championships

(i know its trolling but still)
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Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
September 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#15
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.

you forgot nascar
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
September 08 2014 20:10 GMT
#16
On September 09 2014 03:31 Epoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.

you forgot nascar


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TriO
Profile Joined July 2011
United States421 Posts
September 08 2014 20:49 GMT
#17
America back to back World War champions!
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 08 2014 21:07 GMT
#18
Dota 2 is a better example that there doesnt have to be the mentioned skill diference.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 08 2014 21:14 GMT
#19
haha that nina troll LOL.

OP, I think it's down to culture and acceptance of said game. Starcraft is really the best example that showcases cultural differences and how it's more accepted to go pro (even if not much more) than some other cultures.
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
September 08 2014 21:37 GMT
#20
On September 09 2014 03:30 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:43 TheCzarOfAll wrote:
On September 09 2014 01:11 ninazerg wrote:
In the U.S., you have to remember, we've won every world championship Baseball, Basketball, and Football title in history. It's time to let some other countries shine for a bit.


USA got Bronze in the 2004 Olympics in Basketball. Other years they failed to win:

1972 (Silver)
1980 (Not in top 4)
1988 (Bronze)

Toronto Blue Jays (Canada) won the World Series in 1992 and 1993.

So......

im willing to bet 95% of the players on the blue jays were american during both of those championships

(i know its trolling but still)


pretty sure there was more than 1.3 latino on those teams

nina so witty.
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